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  • Hotshot
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    BC was an impatient man that screwed the pooch more then he groomed it.

    Thanks heaven's we now have methodical GM that doesn't fall in love with players that undermine's his decision making nor throws big money at aging hasbeen players for quick short term fixes and hopes it all works out.

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  • Fully
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    Even if Colangelo was committed to trading Bargnani, which I don't think is a guarantee given their lengthy love affair, coming out and announcing it on national television is a terrible, terrible idea.

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  • Nilanka
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    guyroch wrote: View Post
    In that lock out shorten season ie Cassey's first season .. Bargs looked like he was finally getting it ...
    Ah yes, the infamous 13 game stretch that magically erased the previous 5 years of sucktitude.

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  • KeonClark
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    guyroch wrote: View Post
    In that lock out shorten season ie Cassey's first season .. Bargs looked like he was finally getting it ...
    remember when casey used to say "he's our guy come hell or high water"?

    Its things like that that remind me casey is not a groundbreaking leader, hes more like a "try not to stand out or step on toes" coach.

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  • guyroch
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I agree that the mood around the team and ACC was low, but it was pretty low the 2 years prior too. Just saying
    In that lock out shorten season ie Cassey's first season .. Bargs looked like he was finally getting it ...

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  • Nilanka
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Well, it wasn't "bargnani getting mercifully booed by his own teams fans every time he touched the ball" low for the 2 years prior. Id say when he was coming off the benching chucking 18 footers at a 30% rate in the second half of 2012-13, we can safely call that rock bottom.
    Ok, well....I was booing him for 2 years prior.

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  • KeonClark
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I agree that the mood around the team and ACC was low, but it was pretty low the 2 years prior too. Just saying
    Well, it wasn't "bargnani getting mercifully booed by his own teams fans every time he touched the ball" low for the 2 years prior. Id say when he was coming off the benching chucking 18 footers at a 30% rate in the second half of 2012-13, we can safely call that rock bottom.

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  • Nilanka
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post
    No, its true. If you remember the mood around the team and in the acc, there is no way bargs was coming back.

    Where masai gets credit is in the return.
    I agree that the mood around the team and ACC was low, but it was pretty low the 2 years prior too. Just saying

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  • KeonClark
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Common sense says this is true. But then again, common sense and Colangelo don't go hand-in-hand. If Colangelo was still around, it wouldn't have surprised me one bit if he stalled on any Bargnani trades.

    Remember, Colangelo had an ego (whether he wanted to admit it or not). And trading Bargnani would've signaled that his first move in charge of the Raptors, was an utter failure.

    He probably would've over-valued Bargnani in any trade discussions with rival GMs, and priced himself out of a deal altogether.
    No, its true. If you remember the mood around the team and in the acc, there is no way bargs was coming back.

    Where masai gets credit is in the return.

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  • Nilanka
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    guyroch wrote: View Post
    Bargs was gone that summer .. Either Masai or Bryan would have done it ...
    Common sense says this is true. But then again, common sense and Colangelo don't go hand-in-hand. If Colangelo was still around, it wouldn't have surprised me one bit if he stalled on any Bargnani trades.

    Remember, Colangelo had an ego (whether he wanted to admit it or not). And trading Bargnani would've signaled that his first move in charge of the Raptors, was an utter failure.

    He probably would've over-valued Bargnani in any trade discussions with rival GMs, and priced himself out of a deal altogether.

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  • guyroch
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I don't hate Colangelo for drafting Bargnani. I hate him for holding onto Bargnani for 7 looooong years.

    Then Masai walks through the door and trades him within 5 minutes, lol.
    Bargs was gone that summer .. Either Masai or Bryan would have done it ...

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  • Fully
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    At the risk of sounding like a broken record…

    General Managers do not deserve any credit whatsoever for 'swinging and missing'. They don't receive passes for getting "unlucky". This is a 100% results oriented business, and any comments about how you can't use hindsight to judge these deals is incredibly non sensical. He had full autonomy for 7 years and the team stunk for pretty much all of them. That's what he should be judged on - his record. Not how good his intentions were.

    Does Joe Dumars get a pass for drafting Darko over Melo, Bosh or Wade? I mean, he thought he was getting one of the most dynamic big men in the history of the sport. He just got unlucky that Darko turned out to be a scrub… but no one would have seen that coming.

    Does Grunwald get a pass for giving up 3 draft picks for Bargnani last summer? I mean, he thought he could re-kindle the career of a versatile big man who had averaged 21 and 5 at one point. And the Knicks would be awesome anyway, so what's the big deal about giving up a couple of late picks?

    Every GM THINKS they are doing the right thing to help their team be successful (unless you're talking about an egregious tank job like Philly is currently employing), so are they all absolved from criticism too? No, of course not. Some do a much better job of setting their teams up to be successful than others and we judge them accordingly.

    I can't believe people are not only still defending this guy, but re-writing history just to give him pats on the back. Hedo was definitely a risky signing - he had contract year flame out written all over him, and was a dreadful fit for the Raptors roster. Jermaine O'Neal had missed 40, 13, 31, and 38 games respectively in the 4 seasons leading up to his trade to Toronto. He was damaged goods on a massive contract, and an ornery personality in the locker room to boot. And that's just two of his biggest blunders, you can go through the entire list of his screw ups and say why they didn't appear to be wise decisions at the time.
    Last edited by Fully; Wed Nov 12th, 2014, 12:07 PM.

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  • Nilanka
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    guyroch wrote: View Post
    I think what screwed things up was that surprise 47 win season ... He had a vision prior to that .... I think not reading the Bosh situation also should be a thing he should be judged on ..

    Don't hate on Bryan cause of Bargs ... Bargs had the tools to be a 1st overall pic in that draft

    but the passion to be great has and will never be in Bargs
    I don't hate Colangelo for drafting Bargnani. I hate him for holding onto Bargnani for 7 looooong years.

    Then Masai walks through the door and trades him within 5 minutes, lol.

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  • guyroch
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    What I didn't like about BC was how he didn't seem to have a proper vision for the team. Was his goal to win a championship or to get into the playoffs?

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    I think what screwed things up was that surprise 47 win season ... He had a vision prior to that .... I think not reading the Bosh situation also should be a thing he should be judged on ..

    Don't hate on Bryan cause of Bargs ... Bargs had the tools to be a 1st overall pic in that draft

    but the passion to be great has and will never be in Bargs

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  • Nilanka
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    Bendit wrote: View Post
    We should really gild another ex gm...Glen Grunwald for making the Bargnani trade on behalf of the Knicks. He is now athletic director of Western (I think...maybe wrong on the univ). That stareted the ball rolling with Gay next. This is NOT BC's team. If those two players were still here Lowry wouldve been gone and the guys from SAC wouldnt have been here...no playoffs last year etc etc etc. I am getting the shakes.
    I believe he's at McMaster.

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