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  • DanH
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    Oops. Messed up the possession calculation for those defensive rating numbers I posted earlier. Actually works out to:

    vs MIL - 94 points in 93 possessions, 101.1 DRTG (MIL ORTG = 98.5)
    vs Nets - 80 points in 88 possessions, 90.9 DRTG (BKN ORTG = 104.1)
    vs DET - 91 points in 105 possessions, 86.7 DRTG (DET ORTG = 104.2)

    Point stands. Middling defensive effort against the Bucks, but a lot of that came in garbage time as well, and the other two games were outstanding.

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  • Puffer
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    Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    ...I think to be a really good team you have to stay on top of teams for all 4 quarters, and hammer the really bad teams like the Bucks and Pistons. Like not even give them a chance to stay in the games....
    I think that is what championship teams do, but the Raps are playing good D. If they were playing great D we wouldn't be talking about how far in the second round they could get, but how many games they could last in the Final.

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  • Fully
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    I love Pachulia but he's not worth $5 million plus for 3 years, especially not on a team that was going to be a fringe playoff team at best.

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  • magoon
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    Fully wrote: View Post
    Don't bash the Bucks fans for rooting for losses - - that is basically their only hope at this point. The Mayo/Pachulia/Delfino long term deals they handed out this past summer are looking miserable.
    The Mayo deal is the only bad one. Delfino and Pachulia are decent players who got hit with unfortunate injuries. The Bucks will be a lot better next year: they'll have a hot rookie, a more complete Giannis 'Po, and $20m of cap space to sign free agents. Their only long term problems are the Mayo contract and whether Larry Sanders can get his head right, and Larry Sanders is probably worth a lottery pick this year if they think he needs to go.

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  • slaw
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    ceez wrote: View Post
    Good teams win games, great teams step on the neck of inferior teams and dominate them
    Let's get to 10 or 11 games above 500. Then we can start worrying about style points....

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  • ceez
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    Good teams win games, great teams step on the neck of inferior teams and dominate them

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  • Mediumcore
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I'm not too concerned. Point differential is still a good indicator of team strength.

    Besides, even the Pacers have given up 110 to the Bulls, 96 to the Knicks, 98 to Philly, 100 to the Clips, etc.
    Point differential against really bad teams though? Like these teams are bad by Easter Conf. standards.

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  • Mediumcore
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Um, they've been playing amazing defense, just at a very fast pace. They gave up 94 points to the Bucks, yes, but on 83 FGA, 16 turnovers, and 22 FTA. That's 108 possessions (pace of 108), meaning their DRTG for that game was 87. That's fantastic. Even for against the Bucks (their ORTG on the year is 98.5, terrible, worst in the league, but not near 87).

    Against the Nets they gave up 80 points, on 75 FGA, 18 FTA, and 15 turnovers (97 possessions). That's a DRTG of 82. Their ORTG on the year is 104.1.

    Against the Pistons they gave up 91 points, but on 86 FGA, 35 FTA, and 16 TO (117 possessions). That's a DRTG of 78. Their ORTG on the year is 104.2.
    Thanks for breaking it down Dan, I'm not a stats guy myself, but from what I've seen of the Raptors lately they go through stretches where they don't play good D, and let teams back into the game.

    I think to be a really good team you have to stay on top of teams for all 4 quarters, and hammer the really bad teams like the Bucks and Pistons. Like not even give them a chance to stay in the games. I'm not saying that the defense the Raptors have been playing has been bad, I'm saying that it should be good through the entire game, and not just during select quarters. My mistake if I worded it in a way that made it sound like I was saying they are playing bad defense.

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  • Nilanka
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    Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    Can't stand that they gave up 94 points to the Bucks, and 91 to the Pistons. They are starting to care about scoring more than locking up teams defensively and that will be their downfall. You have play hard nosed defense for all 4 quarters like Indiana does to win consistently. If they played that sort of defense agains even a so-so team out west they would have lost.
    I'm not too concerned. Point differential is still a good indicator of team strength.

    Besides, even the Pacers have given up 110 to the Bulls, 96 to the Knicks, 98 to Philly, 100 to the Clips, etc.

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  • Fully
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    Don't bash the Bucks fans for rooting for losses - - that is basically their only hope at this point. The Mayo/Pachulia/Delfino long term deals they handed out this past summer are looking miserable.

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  • RandomGuy
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    e_wheazhy_ wrote: View Post
    Dude this is a forum for sports fans, not the Girl Scouts. If we can't be ignorant and bash another team and their fan base- especially on theinternet- then what can we do?
    I haven't read posts of other guys, who written previously, so I thought it was out of air. I understand him and now I wouldn't write anything after seeing that, though I still have same opinion about it.

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  • DanH
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    Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    Can't stand that they gave up 94 points to the Bucks, and 91 to the Pistons. They are starting to care about scoring more than locking up teams defensively and that will be their downfall. You have play hard nosed defense for all 4 quarters like Indiana does to win consistently. If they played that sort of defense agains even a so-so team out west they would have lost.
    Um, they've been playing amazing defense, just at a very fast pace. They gave up 94 points to the Bucks, yes, but on 83 FGA, 16 turnovers, and 22 FTA. That's 108 possessions (pace of 108), meaning their DRTG for that game was 87. That's fantastic. Even for against the Bucks (their ORTG on the year is 98.5, terrible, worst in the league, but not near 87).

    Against the Nets they gave up 80 points, on 75 FGA, 18 FTA, and 15 turnovers (97 possessions). That's a DRTG of 82. Their ORTG on the year is 104.1.

    Against the Pistons they gave up 91 points, but on 86 FGA, 35 FTA, and 16 TO (117 possessions). That's a DRTG of 78. Their ORTG on the year is 104.2.

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  • e_wheazhy_
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    RandomGuy wrote: View Post
    This is too ignorant, sorry. But it's very inappropriate to talk like this, even if it's on Raptors board.
    Dude this is a forum for sports fans, not the Girl Scouts. If we can't be ignorant and bash another team and their fan base- especially on theinternet- then what can we do?

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  • Mediumcore
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    grindhouse wrote: View Post
    very happy with raps play we are playing the game the way its suppose to be played.
    patterson is even playing well
    Can't stand that they gave up 94 points to the Bucks, and 91 to the Pistons. They are starting to care about scoring more than locking up teams defensively and that will be their downfall. You have play hard nosed defense for all 4 quarters like Indiana does to win consistently. If they played that sort of defense agains even a so-so team out west they would have lost.

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  • lilmamba_
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    Dr. James Naismith wrote: View Post
    Ahhhh, it's amazing what a month of winning does eh fellas? Cause that was us in late November/early December with respect to how we saw this Raptors team and franchise.
    I seen it exactly the same way

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