When It Comes To Lowry, Eating Crow Isn't So Bad After All.

[e_wheazhy_]

I think you've kind of made his point for him though. Is it possible that Lowry has turned the corner for good? Yup, absolutely. But that must also mean that it's possible that this is all a contract year push, which would make it a pretty big risk for the Raptors to be the ones to sign him to a 4-year/$40 million dollar deal or whatever this summer.

He's certainly been convincing over the past 2 months, but that's kind of the whole point with contract year surges. If it wasn't convincing then no one would be considering giving him big money, and we wouldn't be having this conversation to begin with.

Here are the facts:
- Lowry never showed up to camp in the type of shape he did this year
- His entire career has been plagued with various injuries (could be attributed to his poor conditioning in the past)
- He's played at a high level at various points during his career but never for an entire season (not even close really)
- He's compiled a pretty long rap sheet of clashing with coaches and teammates during his 8 year career (including some rumblings out of Toronto last season)

Is it merely a coincidence that he finally put all these things behind him at the exact same time that he has the most to gain financially? Like you said, it's possible. But it's also possible that we see something closer to years 1 through 7 when he gets his pay day.

Agreed. And if this was happening in a vacuum, MU would be able to talk him down and maybe sign him to a more modest deal - say 3yrs/$23 million. But it's not- and here's the problem- some team will offer him that 4yr/$40million and if the raptors want to keep him, they'll have to match.

[Fully]

Why is it so hard to accept that maybe, just maybe, Kyle has changed for good?

It's harder to accept this because of the contract year and such, but it's not totally out of the realm of possibility.

Besides, you probably want to sell high so we can give Vasquez 2 years, 70 million.

I think you've kind of made his point for him though. Is it possible that Lowry has turned the corner for good? Yup, absolutely. But that must also mean that it's possible that this is all a contract year push, which would make it a pretty big risk for the Raptors to be the ones to sign him to a 4-year/$40 million dollar deal or whatever this summer.

He's certainly been convincing over the past 2 months, but that's kind of the whole point with contract year surges. If it wasn't convincing then no one would be considering giving him big money, and we wouldn't be having this conversation to begin with.

Here are the facts:
- Lowry never showed up to camp in the type of shape he did this year
- His entire career has been plagued with various injuries (could be attributed to his poor conditioning in the past)
- He's played at a high level at various points during his career but never for an entire season (not even close really)
- He's compiled a pretty long rap sheet of clashing with coaches and teammates during his 8 year career (including some rumblings out of Toronto last season)

Is it merely a coincidence that he finally put all these things behind him at the exact same time that he has the most to gain financially? Like you said, it's possible. But it's also possible that we see something closer to years 1 through 7 when he gets his pay day.

[Bendit]

Really? He is limited to 7M per year over 3 years if he signs an extension. Even if he wanted to stay, and wanted to give the Raps a discount (7M per year is way under his value right now) - he would still not extend as he can sign for 5 years instead of 3 in the off-season.

Agreed. However there is one overridding possibility (remote in my view but cannot be entirely discounted) that Lowry might be risk averse because of an injury occurrence and go for an extension.

[DanH]

I disagree. I think the subject has yet to be discussed.

Really? He is limited to 7M per year over 3 years if he signs an extension. Even if he wanted to stay, and wanted to give the Raps a discount (7M per year is way under his value right now) - he would still not extend as he can sign for 5 years instead of 3 in the off-season.

[Wiggins]

Why is it so hard to accept that maybe, just maybe, Kyle has changed for good?

It's harder to accept this because of the contract year and such, but it's not totally out of the realm of possibility.

Besides, you probably want to sell high so we can give Vasquez 2 years, 70 million.

Sorry i don't discount 8 yrs of mediocre play for a few good games vs mostly pretty horrible/injured teams.
If you'd want Lowry for 2 years 140 or 210 million then yes.

[Nilanka]

I disagree. I think the subject has yet to be discussed.

The question is, why would Lowry accept an extension mid-season, when he could get more money (and a longer contract) in free agency this summer?

[psrs1]

Lowry won't accept an extension (limited money and years) so the point is moot.

I disagree. I think the subject has yet to be discussed.

[psrs1]

it was around three hours ago :'( why they gotta do that to us

Consider the source.

[DanH]

If MU extended Lowry mid-season we would find out. I wonder if that plays into the mindset of MU?

Lowry won't accept an extension (limited money and years) so the point is moot.

[psrs1]

I have been very lukewarm on Kyle since he came over because I didn't pay attention to what he did before I only know what he has done since he got here. Outside of the first 3 games and this last stretch of games he has been fairly mediocre with flashes of greatness. He has stopped doing all the things that bothered me with his game. He is no longer a gambler on defense like he was. He now plays within the defense that the coaching staff has been pushing since they were put in place. He also is not as reckless driving to the net when there is nothing there. He now takes what is there and when its not he attempts to make plays for his team mates. He has also had the ability since we started winning to make a big shot when the other team is making a run or starting to come on strong that usually ignites our team and then we end up on a run as a result.

As you say I hope this is a full time thing and not just a contract year thing.

If MU extended Lowry mid-season we would find out. I wonder if that plays into the mindset of MU?

[isaacthompson]

Anyone is on their best behaviour right before they get paid. Sorry don't believe. Sell high.

Why is it so hard to accept that maybe, just maybe, Kyle has changed for good?

It's harder to accept this because of the contract year and such, but it's not totally out of the realm of possibility.

Besides, you probably want to sell high so we can give Vasquez 2 years, 70 million.

[Wiggins]

Anyone is on their best behaviour right before they get paid. Sorry don't believe. Sell high.

[BigCamB]

Lowry is just an interesting cat. When he first arrived he was all about forcing the issue, gambling too much on defense and taking charge of the team, then he changes his game and becomes strictly a facilitator when the "wish Lowry was more like Jose" talk started, then completely defers to DeMar and Gay and then changes his game once again to become this perfect blend of facilitator, scorer, defender, and leader. Changing your game is such a difficult thing to do but he does it so easily. Truly a talented cat.

Agreed, he may have upped his FG attempts (someone on previous page noted that) but I feel he's playing an even more unselfish game. He seems to be making all the right reads at the moment, he's really passing the ball very well and defending as well.
IMO if the raptors had to pick one guy for the allstar game, it'd be him. Two would be nice though
As for Jonas, he seems to have such a great attitude with regards to learning.

[octothorp]

The story was three hours ago. The event might have been 2 weeks ago.

Plus, the wording on RealGM makes it sound like there was a potential deal on the table that GS declined, but the source they reference, Bleacher Report, doesn't make any such reference. It's possible that GS was just talking internally about the names said to be available.

The Warriors’ search to bolster their bench—particularly with another backup point guard—led them to seriously consider Raptors point guard Kyle Lowry, a league source said. However, concerns about how Lowry— a soon-to-be free agent—would fit into their locker room prompted them to pass. Golden State’s unselfish camaraderie is both rare and a decided advantage. The asking price for Lowry apparently has risen with his and the Raptors’ success as well.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...it-makes-sense

[OzRapFan]

T@nking is for F*ckwits