Game #43: Los Angeles Clippers 126 - Toronto Raptors 118

[rocwell]

WHERES THE GAME THREAD!!!!!!!!!! vs the nets

in brooklyn

[lilmamba_]

WHERES THE GAME THREAD!!!!!!!!!! vs the nets

[OldSkoolCool]

Absolutely.

But if we keep playing well with the majority of the wing minutes going to a combination of Novak/Stone/Vasquez/Salmons....oh boi

[stooley]

^^This stretch where he will be out is going to be a very important stretch to determine what effect he has on the team.

Agreed, but it'll also affect our wing depth, so it'll be hard to isolate DD's effect from shallow wing position effect. Like if we had a second John Salmons (who I consider a replacement level player) instead, would our record be affected.

Obviously that test it almost impossible to do, but conclusions drawn from this stretch of games will have to be tempered a little.

[OldSkoolCool]

^^This stretch where he will be out is going to be a very important stretch to determine what effect he has on the team.

[Puffer]

As a poster usually on the DD "hater" side.

No, he isn't a detriment. Definitely not. I don't think he is a benefit either though.

Room for all sides. The conversation just moves along smoother without resorting to extreme views. And I agree with you, he's not a detriment. If he was I suspect Masai would have dealt him by now. As to how beneficial he is, it always seems to come down to his efficiency and his defense, though I think I have seen some improvement in his D.

[OldSkoolCool]

Agree 100%. But note in the section of my comment you quoted. "...to all RR members that see no value in DD...are you smarter than Masai Ujiri?" there should be a big emphasis on the NO.

Some posters only seem to see DeRozan as a detriment, giving no credit for how he attracts attention form the other team, how he can have good nights, how he has improved etc. As for value in Rudy Gay, it seems like he had quite a bit of value in that he returned a nice package and assisted in the Raps in gaining some financial flexibility and cap relief.

On any given night any player can be shit. On the flip side there can be value in any player, it seems, if you have Masai's propensity for looking more than one move ahead.

As a poster usually on the DD "hater" side.

No, he isn't a detriment. Definitely not. I don't think he is a benefit either though.

[Puffer]

I agree with this sentiment, but don't understand its use here. This is a forum. I've got a great deal of faith in Ujiri, but I still like to voice my opinions on the direction I'd like to see the team go, my evaluations of players, and my thoughts on the team and franchise in general...

Agree 100%. But note in the section of my comment you quoted. "...to all RR members that see no value in DD...are you smarter than Masai Ujiri?" there should be a big emphasis on the NO.

Some posters only seem to see DeRozan as a detriment, giving no credit for how he attracts attention form the other team, how he can have good nights, how he has improved etc. As for value in Rudy Gay, it seems like he had quite a bit of value in that he returned a nice package and assisted in the Raps in gaining some financial flexibility and cap relief.

On any given night any player can be shit. On the flip side there can be value in any player, it seems, if you have Masai's propensity for looking more than one move ahead.

[stooley]

Well I come into an old game day thread expecting to see a little bit of drama and what do i get but thoughtful, mature conversation. Shame on you, shame on you i say.

[DanH]

Therefore I am content to see how things go. And to all RR members that see no value in DD...are you smarter than Masai Ujiri?

I agree with this sentiment, but don't understand its use here. This is a forum. I've got a great deal of faith in Ujiri, but I still like to voice my opinions on the direction I'd like to see the team go, my evaluations of players, and my thoughts on the team and franchise in general.

And as a side note, wouldn't the logic you apply here be just as easily applied to Rudy Gay on December the 1st? MU must have seen a valuable and improving asset in Rudy Gay in November, since he hadn't been traded yet.

[MACK11]

It is soooo easy to slip into sarcasm mode, and poke at other posters, as I well know, having gone there many times myself. since the brouhaha with Matt, and the posting of "rules of engagement" I have made an effort to slip over to the civil side.

This forum has way too much to offer to allow myself to detract from it's value. Better to ignore or block the posts that incite me to uncivil responses.

My apologies, akashsingh, for being somewhat smary in my response to an earlier post of yours. Glad to see your reaction was measured.

Off topic but the word "brouhaha" is one of the most funniest terms ahhahahahahh

[Puffer]

As a lot of people are mentioning it, I can see how my first post came across as condescending, that wasn't my intention I will try to keep the snark to a minimum, I'm not p00ka lol. Since my last ban ended I come here to talk basketball, that's it.

It is soooo easy to slip into sarcasm mode, and poke at other posters, as I well know, having gone there many times myself. since the brouhaha with Matt, and the posting of "rules of engagement" I have made an effort to slip over to the civil side.

This forum has way too much to offer to allow myself to detract from it's value. Better to ignore or block the posts that incite me to uncivil responses.

My apologies, akashsingh, for being somewhat smary in my response to an earlier post of yours. Glad to see your reaction was measured.

[akashsingh]

As a lot of people are mentioning it, I can see how my first post came across as condescending, that wasn't my intention I will try to keep the snark to a minimum, I'm not p00ka lol. Since my last ban ended I come here to talk basketball, that's it.

[akashsingh]

Yeah, because saying you're happy that one of our guys is injured is the epitome of class. Pathetic.

I was half joking. Of course injury to Derozan isn't beneficial to my desire of seeing him traded. But since that doesn't appear likely to happen, I am happy that ross will get a chance to be a bigger part of the offense while derozan sits, just like kazantheman. Not sure I appreciate the personal attack.

[akashsingh]

Agreed. I don't think he's a Raptors fan. Just my opinion.

I am a fan, I just have higher expectations than you. Do I think this is a core that will lead us to a championship? no. Do I think keeping this core, and patiently waiting for a trade/free agent signing will lead us to a championship? no. So unless anything is done to fix the situation I am going to express my discontent as a fan.