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  • planetmars
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    stooley wrote: View Post
    Somehow the team has to pay for an individual player's flop.

    The incentive right now is for players to get whistles to help the team win. A personal sacrifice of a tiny portion of their paycheck doesn't really make up for that.
    I don't mind the 1 game suspension, but that almost seems too severe.
    If it is caught in the game (and usually they aren't because usually they require video review) then I think 2 technical free throws and the ball back is a better penalty.. but if it is caught outside the game I think the suspension fits. Not really sure what else they could do.

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  • stooley
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    Problem with flops are that they get recognized after the game is over. Ideal fine should be a 1 game suspension (with pay). With pay because its a minor penalty. The suspension hurts the team though and a player will think twice before doing it again (especially in the playoffs).
    Somehow the team has to pay for an individual player's flop.

    The incentive right now is for players to get whistles to help the team win. A personal sacrifice of a tiny portion of their paycheck doesn't really make up for that.
    I don't mind the 1 game suspension, but that almost seems too severe.

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  • Axel
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    Problem with flops are that they get recognized after the game is over. Ideal fine should be a 1 game suspension (with pay). With pay because its a minor penalty. The suspension hurts the team though and a player will think twice before doing it again (especially in the playoffs).
    Yeah, playoffs is when it really matters. As annoying as it is to see James flop vs a sub-.500 Pistons team, it is irrelevant to the big picture.

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  • planetmars
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    Problem with flops are that they get recognized after the game is over. Ideal fine should be a 1 game suspension (with pay). With pay because its a minor penalty. The suspension hurts the team though and a player will think twice before doing it again (especially in the playoffs).

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  • JawsGT
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    A 2 shot tech and loss of possession should be enough. But the onus is still on the ref to call the flop and not the perceived foul on the other player. That's the real problem.

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  • Axel
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    Yogi wrote: View Post
    My buddy who is an avid hockey fan said the best way for fix the flopping issue in NBA is to have the player sit for 1-2min while a "power play" type situation happens and it's 5 on 4. I don't know how that would fly in the NBA but it sounds like it could make a dent in this problem. Fining doesn't help, players are millionaires and don't feel it enough. They don't give a rat's ass about reputation. Suspension sort of helps, but not really. I think having an in-game penalty that affects the entire team and possibly the outcome of the game is what's needed. You hear players like Lebron and other superstars saying they're doing what has to he done in order to win. So if winning is more important than player integrity and money then make the penalty count. Otherwise they're laughing....like "ha, I got fined 5K for flopping." To compare to our salary that would be like deciding to not go out for one weekend.
    The powerplay is a terrible idea but I get the motive. I agree, there has to be some form of in game ramification. Perhaps a league official can call into the game and suspend the player for the remainder of the game (or even the next game) if the video evidence is 100% clear it was a flop.

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  • Yogi
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    Axel wrote: View Post
    Two biggest officiating issues as I see it in today's NBA; 1 - flopping. Too many players are doing it. It's sad when LeBron, Bosh level stars are doing this; especially in big games. Notice the opponents in the below flops; Pacers and Spurs (pretty sure the Spurs game is in the Finals). Adam Silver needs to find a way to stop this. Fines seem irrelevant to these guys. Perhaps suspension? Perhaps a good old fashion tar-and-feathering will fix it.



    My buddy who is an avid hockey fan said the best way for fix the flopping issue in NBA is to have the player sit for 1-2min while a "power play" type situation happens and it's 5 on 4. I don't know how that would fly in the NBA but it sounds like it could make a dent in this problem. Fining doesn't help, players are millionaires and don't feel it enough. They don't give a rat's ass about reputation. Suspension sort of helps, but not really. I think having an in-game penalty that affects the entire team and possibly the outcome of the game is what's needed. You hear players like Lebron and other superstars saying they're doing what has to he done in order to win. So if winning is more important than player integrity and money then make the penalty count. Otherwise they're laughing....like "ha, I got fined 5K for flopping." To compare to our salary that would be like deciding to not go out for one weekend.

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  • psrs1
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    Axel wrote: View Post
    Sad things is, every league has problems with refs. It's always been the case but has received heightened awareness with fans because of HDTV; making what was borderline calls into obvious errors.

    For the NBA, I don't think the problem is as serious as say the NFL (where every call can drastically change a drive, therefore the game score).
    Two biggest officiating issues as I see it in today's NBA; 1 - flopping. Too many players are doing it. It's sad when LeBron, Bosh level stars are doing this; especially in big games. Notice the opponents in the below flops; Pacers and Spurs (pretty sure the Spurs game is in the Finals). Adam Silver needs to find a way to stop this. Fines seem irrelevant to these guys. Perhaps suspension? Perhaps a good old fashion tar-and-feathering will fix it.





    2 - Wrong official making the call. There are lots of times when the official with the worst angle on the play makes the call. The ref with the best angle decides it's a non-call, yet someone who can't clearly see over-rules them? WTF? The ref with the best position should take charge, and wave off the foul call. Yes, it will make for some awkward flow at first, but officials will adjust and trust their teammates (refmates?) to make the right call.

    Here's a great example of both problems in a single gif. LeBron fakes the contact to get the call, and the ref who's view is blocked by the players (Violet) makes the call while the ref who has the best angle to see what happened doesn't make the call. In this situation, all it takes is for the refs to take 5 seconds to chat. "Violet, what are you calling?" "Monroe hit LeBron in the head" "No, it was faked. No foul." Or "Violet, what are you calling?" "Monroe pulled him from behind." "Ok, I couldn't see that. Go for it".

    Violet Palmer is one the worst officials.

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  • psrs1
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    OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    I like it.



    They have one already.
    That can override on court call?

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  • Puffer
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    Absolutely worst acting ever. You couldn't sell that to a three year old you were reading a bedtime story to.

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  • Axel
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    Sad things is, every league has problems with refs. It's always been the case but has received heightened awareness with fans because of HDTV; making what was borderline calls into obvious errors.

    For the NBA, I don't think the problem is as serious as say the NFL (where every call can drastically change a drive, therefore the game score).

    Two biggest officiating issues as I see it in today's NBA; 1 - flopping. Too many players are doing it. It's sad when LeBron, Bosh level stars are doing this; especially in big games. Notice the opponents in the below flops; Pacers and Spurs (pretty sure the Spurs game is in the Finals). Adam Silver needs to find a way to stop this. Fines seem irrelevant to these guys. Perhaps suspension? Perhaps a good old fashion tar-and-feathering will fix it.





    2 - Wrong official making the call. There are lots of times when the official with the worst angle on the play makes the call. The ref with the best angle decides it's a non-call, yet someone who can't clearly see over-rules them? WTF? The ref with the best position should take charge, and wave off the foul call. Yes, it will make for some awkward flow at first, but officials will adjust and trust their teammates (refmates?) to make the right call.

    Here's a great example of both problems in a single gif. LeBron fakes the contact to get the call, and the ref who's view is blocked by the players (Violet) makes the call while the ref who has the best angle to see what happened doesn't make the call. In this situation, all it takes is for the refs to take 5 seconds to chat. "Violet, what are you calling?" "Monroe hit LeBron in the head" "No, it was faked. No foul." Or "Violet, what are you calling?" "Monroe pulled him from behind." "Ok, I couldn't see that. Go for it".

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  • Jangles
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    EDIT: Namecalling isn't tolerated. Consider it a warning
    Last edited by Doc; Fri Feb 7, 2014, 02:27 AM. Reason: Warning.

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  • enlightenment
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    You can post the video on the forum instead of the link
    you double posted
    And its a bad video anyways.

    1/10 don't try again.

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  • danny
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    Reactions to Kyle Lowry Foul

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuenWBXlkM8

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  • OldSkoolCool
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    The easiest fix for the reffing issues would be to allow the coaches to challenge one single play in the game. If they get the call wrong they lose a timeout and the other team gets a technical free throw. If a team is out of timeouts they can't use the challenge.

    It shouldn't slow down the game that much.. maybe a few minutes as they review the video. It should help at least for close calls at the end of the game.
    I like it.

    psrs1 wrote: View Post
    Except if refs are stubborn and refuse to change call. Would almost need a central control centre similar to NHL.
    They have one already.

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