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  • isaacthompson
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    What we're getting from Salmons right now is what I expected when we made the trade. The good stretch for a few games post-trade was just a bonus.

    There's no reason Ross shouldn't be consistently getting 30-32 minutes a game.

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  • Jclaw
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    Btw...just watching the replay now. Love the play where Hayes misses a chip shot, he tips the rebound to lowry, lowry funnels it out to Novak...you can hear the entire crowd moan as he catches and releases it for a three. Great sound.

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  • iblastoff
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    Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    I guess for the most part Salmons plays good defense arguable as good as Fields? debatable scouts know Fields is shooting ridiculously low percentages right now and besides slashing you can cheat on him defensively. Salmons however still should be able to hit wide open looks regardless of how hes shooting at the moment and he still must be covered behind the arc so I guess Casey plays him over Fields knowing this?

    My point is Salmons is likely gone after this season Fields we still have into next season its time we get something from all that money we are giving him and either Ujiri trades him as an expiring or we resign after next season dirt cheap cause at this point he may be out of the league if he still cant hit open shots remaining a role player in toronto.
    yah thats one way to look at it. the other i suppose is with fields on the floor, you may not be wasting as many possessions with a missed shot from salmons. i dunno. not sure if i prefer one over the other really.

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  • Jclaw
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    Let me get this straight.....Novak helps us win a big game and we get an extra first round pick in 2016? Have fun Phil.

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  • Rapstor4Life
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    I guess for the most part Salmons plays good defense arguable as good as Fields? debatable scouts know Fields is shooting ridiculously low percentages right now and besides slashing you can cheat on him defensively. Salmons however still should be able to hit wide open looks regardless of how hes shooting at the moment and he still must be covered behind the arc so I guess Casey plays him over Fields knowing this?

    My point is Salmons is likely gone after this season Fields we still have into next season its time we get something from all that money we are giving him and either Ujiri trades him as an expiring or we resign after next season dirt cheap cause at this point he may be out of the league if he still cant hit open shots remaining a role player in toronto.

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  • rseal
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    Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Anyone notice salmons is really starting to fall off still a good guy dont get me wrong but the little shots he does take hes been bricking lately. Patterson has to come back he and Vasquez are the most important guys of the second unit, Fields would be great over Salmons if he could score.
    I can't recall the last time Salmons hit a 3 -- and he gets A LOT of open looks.

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  • GLF
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    iblastoff wrote: View Post
    i dont think so. fields doesnt have a midrange shot like salmons does, who despite the slump, is still shooting above league average from those areas. fields doesnt have a corner 3 like salmon does. salmons also has amazing chemistry with patterson in the second unit, who is arguably our #1 option in that lineup. defensively, salmons is just as good at least with the eyeball test. so i'm not sure what you think fields offers more over salmons really.
    I'm shocked Salmons shoots at league average from the mid range. From the eye test it looks like he misses his mid range jumper more than he hits it. I cringe when he takes that shot. His three ball has fallen off but he's definitely a better three point shooter than Fields. I guess I believe Fields would be just as good as a defender or maybe even better and even though Fields can't shoot he would score more points because he's pretty good at finding other ways to score even though his shot isn't falling.

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  • iblastoff
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    GLF wrote: View Post
    Well he's a smart player and for his age is a pretty good defender. He also is somebody who can handle the ball and more often than not make smart decisions so that might be why. He also doesn't let missing shots affect the rest of his game. So he isn't horrendous I just think Fields can do those things and more even without a shot right now.
    i dont think so. fields doesnt have a midrange shot like salmons does, who despite the slump, is still shooting above league average from those areas. fields doesnt have a corner 3 like salmon does. salmons also has amazing chemistry with patterson in the second unit, who is arguably our #1 option in that lineup. defensively, salmons is just as good at least with the eyeball test. so i'm not sure what you think fields offers more over salmons really.

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  • GLF
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    stooley wrote: View Post
    Was reading in the post the other day how salmons has like the best plus minus on the team or something. It's likely because he generally plays with the bench unit, which crushes the opposition every time theyre on the court... but still, must mean something
    Well he's a smart player and for his age is a pretty good defender. He also is somebody who can handle the ball and more often than not make smart decisions so that might be why. He also doesn't let missing shots affect the rest of his game. So he isn't horrendous I just think Fields can do those things and more even without a shot right now.

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  • iblastoff
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    Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Anyone notice salmons is really starting to fall off still a good guy dont get me wrong but the little shots he does take hes been bricking lately. Patterson has to come back he and Vasquez are the most important guys of the second unit, Fields would be great over Salmons if he could score.
    yep his immediate post-trade magic is wearing off. still a serviceable player but would rather Ross be taking the majority of minutes.

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  • stooley
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    GLF wrote: View Post
    Fields can score he just can't shoot. Look at the game where he started recently. I think they should think about playing Fields because Salmons isn't scoring anymore either. At least Fields can finish at the basket and can slash. He also moves well without the ball. If Salmons isn't hitting his three or that mid range shot he's pretty worthless on offense.
    Was reading in the post the other day how salmons has like the best plus minus on the team or something. It's likely because he generally plays with the bench unit, which crushes the opposition every time theyre on the court... but still, must mean something

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  • GLF
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    Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Anyone notice salmons is really starting to fall off still a good guy dont get me wrong but the little shots he does take hes been bricking lately. Patterson has to come back he and Vasquez are the most important guys of the second unit, Fields would be great over Salmons if he could score.
    Fields can score he just can't shoot. Look at the game where he started recently. I think they should think about playing Fields because Salmons isn't scoring anymore either. At least Fields can finish at the basket and can slash. He also moves well without the ball. If Salmons isn't hitting his three or that mid range shot he's pretty worthless on offense.

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  • Rapstor4Life
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    Anyone notice salmons is really starting to fall off still a good guy dont get me wrong but the little shots he does take hes been bricking lately. Patterson has to come back he and Vasquez are the most important guys of the second unit, Fields would be great over Salmons if he could score.

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  • DanH
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    CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    He had no issue developing a good plan. His issue was sticking to it. I really wonder how much negative influence/pressure there was from above, pushing BC more towards 'win now'? I'm quite happy with MU, but I'm always intrigued by the behind-the-scenes dynamic between ownership and management.
    Oh, yeah, the news that Rogers/Bell were buying the team was great news - they have a vested interest in team success, beyond the simple profit margins the OTPP was constantly after. My biggest problem was ownership.

    But even after the purchase, last year the new ownership approved the Gay trade, which was all BC, so he gets at least some blame for the state of the team when he departed.

    Developing a plan involves sticking to it. That's the development part. Player development doesn't happen at the draft, it happens over the course of years. Same goes for plans. As for the 'win now' stuff, even the year where he himself admitted he tried to tank he screwed that up too by winning too much, so I can't place all the blame on ownership (some, definitely though).

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  • CalgaryRapsFan
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    I've long said that BC's individual moves were always well executed, and more often than not turned out to be even better than they looked at the time (DD looked like a decent pick, has developed very well, his contract extension looked ugly, looks pretty good now, Ross seemed like a reach, looks real good now, Drummond notwithstanding). But his inability to develop a big picture plan was always his downfall, so he had to go.
    He had no issue developing a good plan. His issue was sticking to it. I really wonder how much negative influence/pressure there was from above, pushing BC more towards 'win now'? I'm quite happy with MU, but I'm always intrigued by the behind-the-scenes dynamic between ownership and management.

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