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  • S.R.
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    Norm has a +4 on-court net rating on the season. +3.5 in the past 10 games. With or without Lowry here Norm is not likely to be a big driver of success.

    And Fred's role changing is a) a good thing and b) no guarantee, they want him to stretch into that role, and thankfully Lowry can play off ball too so no real concerns there. If anything Lowry might be able to save Fred from those disastrous stretches where he's out there with the bench.
    Yeah the real impact will be Kyle replacing Norm in the starting lineup and that will be an easy net positive. Lowry and FVV are both actually very good at guarding guys a size up and Nurse throws around lots of random zones and they switch everything, so it's a bit harder for teams to take advantage of the Raptors' 6 foot guards I think - you just rarely see it. Philly last year didn't abuse the Raps offensively, it was Philly's defence that nobody but Kawhi seemed able to cope with. But I really think Philly's a half step worse now than last year's roster.

    The bench will be changed with everybody back, with Ibaka and Norm being the 6th and 7th men. That means next to no minutes for Boucher and probably significantly reduced minutes for Terrence Davis. The bench will lose its defensive hustle/swarm/forced turnovers identity but on the other hand will be more well rounded and should be better able to score - the previous unit was very good but definitely prone to offensive dry spells and had to have the energy at 110% at all times to be effective.

    But these problems all assume 100% good health, which you almost never have. These depth guys are going to be needed again and 1-2 of them may well play a significant role in the playoffs.

    As was mentioned, hopefully Lowry/Fred/Siakam minutes are paced a little better with the full team healthy. Especially Lowry, get him to the playoffs at 100%.

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  • golden
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    Historically there is little to support that theory. Lowry even at half speed is a more impactful defender than Norm.

    Any slippage would likely, IMO, come from a) Serge's return to the lineup, he's always been over-hyped as a defender, and b) a harder upcoming schedule.

    But also, any defensive slippage should be more than made up for on offence. Will be nice to get Siakam and FVV some easier offence.
    Can't deny there will be at least a couple of extra touchdown passes to Pascal per game. OG will also benefit greatly from another high IQ playmaker on the floor. He seems to have tailed off a wee bit since Lowry went down.

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  • DanH
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    I don't have any real reason to believe he won't but I hope he just slides back in seamlessly without dropping the team momentum since Norm and Fred's role will change again. You can't ever be net-negative for having Lowry back but we'll likely see more of bad Norm again

    After hearing Kyle this morning, I had a bad flashback to him saying "I don't need to adjust to the team, they have to adjust to me ...."
    Norm has a +4 on-court net rating on the season. +3.5 in the past 10 games. With or without Lowry here Norm is not likely to be a big driver of success.

    And Fred's role changing is a) a good thing and b) no guarantee, they want him to stretch into that role, and thankfully Lowry can play off ball too so no real concerns there. If anything Lowry might be able to save Fred from those disastrous stretches where he's out there with the bench.

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  • Zak24gege
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    The margin between winning and losing is so slim, any of the top tier team's have a shot at the chip this year.

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  • DanH
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Defensively, we could see some slippage.
    Historically there is little to support that theory. Lowry even at half speed is a more impactful defender than Norm.

    Any slippage would likely, IMO, come from a) Serge's return to the lineup, he's always been over-hyped as a defender, and b) a harder upcoming schedule.

    But also, any defensive slippage should be more than made up for on offence. Will be nice to get Siakam and FVV some easier offence.

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  • G__Deane
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    S.R. wrote: View Post

    Kyle Lowry is basically Mark Messier, that's a great comp actually
    Kyle should guarantee a W lol

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  • G__Deane
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    Just Is wrote: View Post
    More importantly; even more motivation to keep Lowry's minutes down makes unable to think about how good this team could be come playoff time.

    I previously thought 2nd round exit seemed most likely but now? I'm starting to think bigger.
    An argument could be made for any of the Raps, Sixers, Bucks or Chowders being out in the first round or making the ECF/Finals.
    Just the way it is now.

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  • G__Deane
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    I can't even envision how good this team will be once Lowry is back.
    I don't have any real reason to believe he won't but I hope he just slides back in seamlessly without dropping the team momentum since Norm and Fred's role will change again. You can't ever be net-negative for having Lowry back but we'll likely see more of bad Norm again

    After hearing Kyle this morning, I had a bad flashback to him saying "I don't need to adjust to the team, they have to adjust to me ...."

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  • golden
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    I can't even envision how good this team will be once Lowry is back.
    Defensively, we could see some slippage.

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  • golden
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post

    I wonder how long he can go with that starting back court? Just not enough size against the bigger teams that have talent at those positions.
    I think you ride with that group until like Game 3 or 4 of the Finals and then decide if you need to make adjustments.

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  • planetmars
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post

    I wonder how long he can go with that starting back court? Just not enough size against the bigger teams that have talent at those positions.
    We'll found out probably by the Philly game. I don't see Lowry missing that as it will be in Philly. And Philly has the largest starting unit in the entire league right now.

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  • LJ2
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Nurse already said that Powell is coming off the bench.
    I wonder how long he can go with that starting back court? Just not enough size against the bigger teams that have talent at those positions.

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  • S.R.
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    Rudy Bargnani wrote: View Post

    This is like the oilers winning the cup the year after Gretzky left.
    Kyle Lowry is basically Mark Messier, that's a great comp actually

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  • golden
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post
    Is there a Lowry vs FVV for who should start thread yet? It's coming right?
    Nurse already said that Powell is coming off the bench.

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  • LJ2
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    Is there a Lowry vs FVV for who should start thread yet? It's coming right?

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