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  • KeonClark wrote: View Post

    Hes currently at 17th with a lot of good seasons ahead. Kawhi is amazing but when you step back and look hes been an all star in just 4 seasons where hes averaged about 65 games played.

    despite the 2 titles if he retired today not sure hes HOF yet
    I'm 100% sure he makes it. Quality over quantity.

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    • Kagemusha wrote: View Post

      That criteria sucks.
      Kawhi has 2 rings, 2 finals MVPs and a top 5 player.
      How many rings do Westbrook and Harden got?

      Dwight and Melo over Kawhi too?
      It's not a ranking of who's peak is the best, it heavily weights total longevity as well as success. In 2 or 3 years Kawhi will no doubt leapfrog a lot of these names.

      also, people forget how dominant dwight was 10 years ago. His resume is first ballot.
      It's Klaw Season. Time to hunt.

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      • Apollo wrote: View Post

        I'm 100% sure he makes it. Quality over quantity.
        All im saying is it's been a very short career if he up and walked away today. Very few if any players in the modern era have fewer GP than Kawhi in the hall other than yao and sabonis who are obviously in for contributions beyond their nba teams.
        It's Klaw Season. Time to hunt.

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        • KeonClark wrote: View Post

          All im saying is it's been a very short career if he up and walked away today. Very few if any players in the modern era have fewer GP than Kawhi in the hall other than yao and sabonis who are obviously in for contributions beyond their nba teams.
          But Kawhi is an innovator who changed professional sports forever. Before last year, nobody had even heard of the term "load management". Today, load management is as ubiquitous as hand sanitizer.

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          • From the list Keon posted, my only Hall of Fame votes would be: Lebron, Paul, Durant, Curry, Carter, Gasol. Harden and Davis could get there but I don't see anyone else (maybe Howard).

            Based on what will actually happen, I expect all of the guys on that list to get in with the exception of maybe George.

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            • KeonClark wrote: View Post

              All im saying is it's been a very short career if he up and walked away today. Very few if any players in the modern era have fewer GP than Kawhi in the hall other than yao and sabonis who are obviously in for contributions beyond their nba teams.
              The past doesn't really matter though. If he retired at the end of the playoffs he would have made a significant mark on the landscape of basketball. His accolades are greatness. Last year's playoff run statistically is the greatest of all time for an individual player.

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              • KeonClark wrote: View Post

                It's not a ranking of who's peak is the best, it heavily weights total longevity as well as success. In 2 or 3 years Kawhi will no doubt leapfrog a lot of these names.

                also, people forget how dominant dwight was 10 years ago. His resume is first ballot.
                It's funny when you see him now but I remember Peak Dwight Howard looked 50% bigger than anyone else on the floor.
                It actually looked unfair. Not sure what he is now but he was listed as 6-10 265 pounds.

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                • As far as HoF rankings, longevity should be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the list. It's not all rings either unless you were one of the actual drivers of the chip wagon .....

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                  • Kyle better be on that all defensive first team this year. He’s never been picked before.

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                    • He's +16 in the second round, we're -29 with him on the bench. He's also averaging 21.5 points, 7 rebounds, 7.5 assists and 2.25 steals in the series
                      The name's Bond, James Bond.

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                      • 007 wrote: View Post


                        He's +16 in the second round, we're -29 with him on the bench. He's also averaging 21.5 points, 7 rebounds, 7.5 assists and 2.25 steals in the series
                        GROAT. Undisputed.
                        2019 NBA Champions. Glad to have doubted the doubters.

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                        • 007 wrote: View Post


                          He's +16 in the second round, we're -29 with him on the bench. He's also averaging 21.5 points, 7 rebounds, 7.5 assists and 2.25 steals in the series
                          can we have more Lowrys?
                          Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                          • 007 wrote: View Post


                            He's +16 in the second round, we're -29 with him on the bench. He's also averaging 21.5 points, 7 rebounds, 7.5 assists and 2.25 steals in the series
                            Pretty widespread acceptance of Kyle as the engine that drives this team for the last few years on this site. It may be a surprise to folks that don't watch the Raptors play regularly, but no surprise to us.

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                            • Puffer wrote: View Post

                              Pretty widespread acceptance of Kyle as the engine that drives this team for the last few years on this site. It may be a surprise to folks that don't watch the Raptors play regularly, but no surprise to us.
                              Being the engine that drives this team is one thing... but being by far and away the highest +/- the past two years in the postseason in the league... that’s another thing altogether. Pretty damn impressive — and, I’d say, perhaps somewhat of a surprise, given this “superstar-driven league.”

                              GROAT

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