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  • LJ2
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    inthepaint wrote: View Post

    Thing is, people have been saying some version of this since he was 29 turning 30. However, since then, he went on to have 5 all-star appearances and a championship. When he had his last extension (not this last 1-year one, the one prior to that), people were emphatically complaining and already declaring the last 1 or 2 years of the deal an "albatross". We can probably find it on this very thread if we dig.

    Ironically, that turned out to be the exact window of time when Lowry won an NBA championship as our starting point guard.

    Lowry is a statistical anomaly. Unlike almost every other NBA player, he's infinitely better at age 33 vs. age 23. It won't last forever of course, father time is gonna eventually catch up with everyone, but that "eventually" is very different from player to player. Lowry so far is looking to age like a fine wine. That could change, but even right now in 2020, guys like Bill Simmons (a huge Celtics homer) consider Lowry a top 6 MVP caliber player. I don't think you can bargain your way with players like Lowry. Gotta decide if want him or not, and either pay what needs to be paid, or let him go win somewhere else.
    It will come down to whether Raptors can land Giannis (or another star) or not. If not then then keeping Lowry around makes no sense other than for the purpose of showing loyalty or having him retire a raptor etc. That should only happen if he takes a big pay cut.

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  • inthepaint
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    Agreed.
    I'd reluctantly look at a value 2 year deal to keep him a Raptor but anything longer has the chance to be an albatross contract that handcuffs the team. Successive 1 year deals until he retires should be the goal.
    Thing is, people have been saying some version of this since he was 29 turning 30. However, since then, he went on to have 5 all-star appearances and a championship. When he had his last extension (not this last 1-year one, the one prior to that), people were emphatically complaining and already declaring the last 1 or 2 years of the deal an "albatross". We can probably find it on this very thread if we dig.

    Ironically, that turned out to be the exact window of time when Lowry won an NBA championship as our starting point guard.

    Lowry is a statistical anomaly. Unlike almost every other NBA player, he's infinitely better at age 33 vs. age 23. It won't last forever of course, father time is gonna eventually catch up with everyone, but that "eventually" is very different from player to player. Lowry so far is looking to age like a fine wine. That could change, but even right now in 2020, guys like Bill Simmons (a huge Celtics homer) consider Lowry a top 6 MVP caliber player. I don't think you can bargain your way with players like Lowry. Gotta decide if want him or not, and either pay what needs to be paid, or let him go win somewhere else.

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  • G__Deane
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    Zak24gege wrote: View Post

    I would be surprised if Kyle doesn't try and maximize what could very likely be his final contract. From a sentimental perspective, a reasonable 1 year contract would be in the team's best interest, however, if Kyle receives a significantly higher multi-year deal I would not criticize Kyle if he decides to accepted that option. After all Kyle's GROAT status is already secure and not dependant on some future accomplishments.
    Agreed.
    I'd reluctantly look at a value 2 year deal to keep him a Raptor but anything longer has the chance to be an albatross contract that handcuffs the team. Successive 1 year deals until he retires should be the goal.

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  • Zak24gege
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    I hope he'll take reasonable one year contracts until he retires and helps us keep salary flexibility. Only if he demands 3 years would I let him walk. Would love to see him a Raptor for life
    I would be surprised if Kyle doesn't try and maximize what could very likely be his final contract. From a sentimental perspective, a reasonable 1 year contract would be in the team's best interest, however, if Kyle receives a significantly higher multi-year deal I would not criticize Kyle if he decides to accepted that option. After all Kyle's GROAT status is already secure and not dependant on some future accomplishments.

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  • G__Deane
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    Sonny wrote: View Post
    I hope Lowry retire a Raptor. The organization should treat him the way Dallas treated Dirk Nowitzki.
    I hope he'll take reasonable one year contracts until he retires and helps us keep salary flexibility. Only if he demands 3 years would I let him walk. Would love to see him a Raptor for life

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  • Sonny
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    I hope Lowry retire a Raptor. The organization should treat him the way Dallas treated Dirk Nowitzki.

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  • SkywalkerAC
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    Highlight reels of Kyle's defensive plays bring proud tears of joy to my eyes.

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  • GOLDBLUM
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    S.R. wrote: View Post
    Lowry love from Lowe, sure. But I can't believe these words are coming from Bill Simmons' mouth (50 minute mark):

    This is really worth a listen for those 4min or so there... love it. Thanks for posting, SR.

    Liked this too -



    GROAT

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  • S.R.
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    Lowry love from Lowe, sure. But I can't believe these words are coming from Bill Simmons' mouth (50 minute mark):

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  • GOLDBLUM
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    GROAT getting his first jersey retirement tonight.



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  • chris
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    bertarapsfan wrote: View Post

    I agree with the last point. Siakam and those guy who get the "max" when they are RFA are very reasonable contracts. I think we will see in the next cycle of supermaxes (guys in the high 20s with are eligble for those huge contract) teams may be more reluctant to give those out. All those super maxes especially point guard who rely on atheltism are going to be bad contracts. We've seen it with Russ,CP3, Wall probably going to happen to Lillard. It retrospect we have handled Lowry contract situation mastefully. We have him for his prime, he got his money and i dont think anyone is going to give him 30+ mil for multiple year in 2021. Id be cool with just giving huge 1 year contracts till he retire or a smaller 3 year deal
    totally. all in all i'd say the raptors received an excellent return on investment over the time kyle has been here considering the impact he's had.

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  • bertarapsfan
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    chris wrote: View Post

    what do you mean by max contract, since they vary with player experience/accomplishment level? damian lillard or pascal siakam? i'd agree with you on the former... there are maybe five players in the league i'd be willing to pay lillard's contract, and if i were portland i'd be looking to move off that as soon as i can. there are at least 30 and probably more i'd say are worth what siakam's contract will pay him, which is a bargain.

    sounds like you're talking about lillard money but you're previous post mentions unwillingness to pay 30M+ for non-top 5 players. lot's of players are worth 30M+. very few are worth nearly 50M, especially considering the point in their career's they typically become eligible to sign for that money.
    I agree with the last point. Siakam and those guy who get the "max" when they are RFA are very reasonable contracts. I think we will see in the next cycle of supermaxes (guys in the high 20s with are eligble for those huge contract) teams may be more reluctant to give those out. All those super maxes especially point guard who rely on atheltism are going to be bad contracts. We've seen it with Russ,CP3, Wall probably going to happen to Lillard. It retrospect we have handled Lowry contract situation mastefully. We have him for his prime, he got his money and i dont think anyone is going to give him 30+ mil for multiple year in 2021. Id be cool with just giving huge 1 year contracts till he retire or a smaller 3 year deal

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  • chris
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    Re the non top 5 guy, are you talking THEIR max salary or A max salary? Max that their due or max what you can pay any player?
    For example, you're paying elite money to a non-elite player because you don't have an elite player?
    what do you mean by max contract, since they vary with player experience/accomplishment level? damian lillard or pascal siakam? i'd agree with you on the former... there are maybe five players in the league i'd be willing to pay lillard's contract, and if i were portland i'd be looking to move off that as soon as i can. there are at least 30 and probably more i'd say are worth what siakam's contract will pay him, which is a bargain.

    sounds like you're talking about lillard money but you're previous post mentions unwillingness to pay 30M+ for non-top 5 players. lot's of players are worth 30M+. very few are worth nearly 50M, especially considering the point in their career's they typically become eligible to sign for that money.
    Last edited by chris; Mon Feb 24th, 2020, 11:38 PM.

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  • MixxAOR
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    Letting a guy just walk because you don't want to pay max contract is not ideal either. And before anybody says it: Nobody is gonna take a discount.

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  • G__Deane
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    Yeah, but assuming you don't have a top 5 guy, your choices are a) paying the max for the top 25 guy you do have or b) not having that guy. Option B definitely doesn't work. If you are going to draw that line, you should just go tank. And if you do that, you can only ever add that top 5 talent via the draft, you remove the options of FA or trade, both of which the Raptors will have pursued over a few seasons when 2021 rolls around, by paying their non-top-5 guys their max salary (or roughly that).
    Re the non top 5 guy, are you talking THEIR max salary or A max salary? Max that their due or max what you can pay any player?
    For example, you're paying elite money to a non-elite player because you don't have an elite player?

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