I was about to say I wouldn't Adams, but then I saw his FT% ouch. He does add any spacing and is horrible at the line. I like his toughness though.
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saints91 wrote: View PostI was about to say I wouldn't Adams, but then I saw his FT% ouch. He does add any spacing and is horrible at the line. I like his toughness though.
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DanH wrote: View Post
Yeah, there's also a chance if the Raps don't want Ball or Ball doesn't want to come here, if NOP wants to avoid waiving one of Adams/Bledsoe, that they would give up some value to include one of those guys plus a prospect as the salary return (I've pitched Bledsoe and Hayes) so that they could keep Hart and also maintain the MLE to add another FA.
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planetmars wrote: View Post
Wouldn't the Pelicans lose their MLE if they do a S&T?
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DanH wrote: View Post
Yeah, there's also a chance if the Raps don't want Ball or Ball doesn't want to come here, if NOP wants to avoid waiving one of Adams/Bledsoe, that they would give up some value to include one of those guys plus a prospect as the salary return (I've pitched Bledsoe and Hayes) so that they could keep Hart and also maintain the MLE to add another FA.
It’s a copycat league, so maybe the Pels see Lonzo as their Ricky Rubio and Lowry would be their CP3 teaching a young group how to win. A lot of similarities there.
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golden wrote: View Post
Along the line of not wanting Ball…. isn’t this kind of an indictment of Lonzo if the Pels are looking to replace him with a 36 year old, albeit GROAT? Especially with Ball coming off his best seasons at an age where they could have locked him up entering his peak.
It’s a copycat league, so maybe the Pels see Lonzo as their Ricky Rubio and Lowry would be their CP3 teaching a young group how to win. A lot of similarities there.
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DanH wrote: View Post
Never underestimate the possibility that some other front office is just bad at their jobs (relatively speaking). Lonzo isn't the superstar one would have hoped when he was drafted where he was, but he's crossed the threshold well into underrated, IMO. He'd actually fit very well here, I think.
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golden wrote: View Post
Along the line of not wanting Ball…. isn’t this kind of an indictment of Lonzo if the Pels are looking to replace him with a 36 year old, albeit GROAT? Especially with Ball coming off his best seasons at an age where they could have locked him up entering his peak.
It’s a copycat league, so maybe the Pels see Lonzo as their Ricky Rubio and Lowry would be their CP3 teaching a young group how to win. A lot of similarities there.
All these guys are better return than empty cap space for the chance to chase UFA's like Richaun Holmes. I think first order of business here is on Aug 3rd (or whenever the 1st day of free agency is), sign Lowry for his 25M. Then wait for trade offers that are worth it. Worse case scenario then is no worthy offers come, but then you got Kyle Lowry, which is the best 2021 UFA.
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The Claw Reborn wrote: View PostIf the Raptors get lucky and acquire Lillard in a trade, I think Kyle will sign a discounted deal.
Kyle/ Lillard/ OG/ Siakam and MLE Center is a legitimate ECF contender
Lillard makes 39M, Fred and Boucher and #4 make 34M. That's only a 5M increase to a 95M payroll. At 100M, that leaves 36M in spending to get to the tax line, 43M to the apron. 43M should be plenty for the MLE, Lowry and Trent, plus fringe pieces to fill out the roster. And if they do get Birch a little cheaper, they can spend even more.
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DanH wrote: View Post
It wouldn't likely need to be that much of a discount. They'd certainly be diving into the tax (likely just up to the apron so they could use the full MLE, unless they can get Birch on the taxpayer's MLE).
Lillard makes 39M, Fred and Boucher and #4 make 34M. That's only a 5M increase to a 95M payroll. At 100M, that leaves 36M in spending to get to the tax line, 43M to the apron. 43M should be plenty for the MLE, Lowry and Trent, plus fringe pieces to fill out the roster. And if they do get Birch a little cheaper, they can spend even more.
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The Claw Reborn wrote: View PostIf the Raptors get lucky and acquire Lillard in a trade, I think Kyle will sign a discounted deal.
Kyle/ Lillard/ OG/ Siakam and MLE Center is a legitimate ECF contender
Dunno man, I think if we get Dame, we gotta see that as a passing of the torch.
Edit: Realistically, I think we are destined to walk before we run. Portland will have better offers 100%.Last edited by c-troop; Mon Jul 19, 2021, 11:51 PM.
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My order of preferred Lowry outcomes this offseason (best to worst):
1. He's the ballast on a trade that includes other assets from us that ends up netting us a high impact player (eg Beal, Dame, KAT), possibly involving a 3-team Simmons trade
2. We get a late first and a nice prospect on a SnT (eg Lonzo, Markkenen, Thybulle, Robinson)
3. We sign him, he doesn't get traded, and walks into the sunset here, while we play our double 5'10" wingspan backcourt heavy minutes till he's 38.
4. He walks, and we try to convince ourselves that is totally fine to lose the 5th rotation champion in 3 years for nothing, so we have the cap space to go chase ghosts in free agency
Hopefully it's one the first 2.
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inthepaint wrote: View PostMy order of preferred Lowry outcomes this offseason (best to worst):
1. He's the ballast on a trade that includes other assets from us that ends up netting us a high impact player (eg Beal, Dame, KAT), possibly involving a 3-team Simmons trade
2. We get a late first and a nice prospect on a SnT (eg Lonzo, Markkenen, Thybulle, Robinson)
3. We sign him, he doesn't get traded, and walks into the sunset here, while we play our double 5'10" wingspan backcourt heavy minutes till he's 38.
4. He walks, and we try to convince ourselves that is totally fine to lose the 5th rotation champion in 3 years for nothing, so we have the cap space to go chase ghosts in free agency
Hopefully it's one the first 2.
Last year at the trade deadline right before we shuffled norm off to portland...
Do you really think teams were offering a late first and a nice prospect for lowry?
Is a sign and trade deal actually more valuable than his expiring contract was?
Cause we couldn't trade Lowry for a late first and "ghosts" on bad contracts ...
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