Everything Kyle Lowry

[Puffer]

Word has it Masai was demanding a package of Ben Simmons, three first round picks, four pick swaps, 18 second round picks, Thybulle, Maxey, Danny ‘Money’ Green, Mike Scott, Allen Iverson, DJ Questlove & one of either Dr J or Sir Charles Barkley. And cash considerations. And a one of kind NFT of the much beloved Flyers’ Mascot, Gritty.

Morey considered and apparently things got pretty close but ultimately Daryl didn’t wanna part ways with the famed, cracked Liberty Bell and a half-eaten cheesesteak which he was spotted eating yesterday afternoon.

Too bad the deal fell apart over something as simple as that. Shame that reasonable minds couldn’t prevail.

Later that same day, the half eaten cheese steak was found in an alley where it had been furiously been flung against the decrepit and decaying brick wall of a shooter bar.

[Kagemusha]

Word has it Masai was demanding a package of Ben Simmons, three first round picks, four pick swaps, 18 second round picks, Thybulle, Maxey, Danny ‘Money’ Green, Mike Scott, Allen Iverson, DJ Questlove & one of either Dr J or Sir Charles Barkley. And cash considerations. And a one of kind NFT of the much beloved Flyers’ Mascot, Gritty.

Morey considered and apparently things got pretty close but ultimately Daryl didn’t wanna part ways with the famed, cracked Liberty Bell and a half-eaten cheesesteak which he was spotted eating yesterday afternoon.

Too bad the deal fell apart over something as simple as that. Shame that reasonable minds couldn’t prevail.

Word is that Chuck is now sending Daryl death threats for refusing that offer.

[GOLDBLUM]

Philly seems to have dropped out.

Word has it Masai was demanding a package of Ben Simmons, three first round picks, four pick swaps, 18 second round picks, Thybulle, Maxey, Danny ‘Money’ Green, Mike Scott, Allen Iverson, DJ Questlove & one of either Dr J or Sir Charles Barkley. And cash considerations. And a one of kind NFT of the much beloved Flyers’ Mascot, Gritty.

Morey considered and apparently things got pretty close but ultimately Daryl didn’t wanna part ways with the famed, cracked Liberty Bell and a half-eaten cheesesteak which he was spotted eating yesterday afternoon.

Too bad the deal fell apart over something as simple as that. Shame that reasonable minds couldn’t prevail.

[magoon]

Grant Afseth reporting that Miami is currently the "frontrunner" to sign Lowry, with Dallas and New Orleans also in contention. Philly seems to have dropped out.

[Dr Hannibal Lecter]

I've said it from day one, his going 2 south beach, maimi in a sign and trade.

[SkywalkerAC]

Gotta think, after not drafting his replacement, that we’re the favourite to sign him.

[DanH]

Any chance Lowry signs a new contract with the Raptors. Say a 2 year deal with an option, with an agreement in place to move him at the deadline if we try and contend this year but doesn't go as planned?

Absolutely there's a chance. I've long had the odds about split into thirds: him just walking, him leaving via sign and trade, him re-signing here. Completely up in the air.

[Fuchan]

Any chance Lowry signs a new contract with the Raptors. Say a 2 year deal with an option, with an agreement in place to move him at the deadline if we try and contend this year but doesn't go as planned?

[c-troop]

Are we re-signing Trent in this scenario? Are we adding a C of any significant salary? If either, we will not be a cap space team anytime soon after this summer regardless of Lowry. It's RFA this summer or likely not until we break up this core.

Yeah, I agree, and I want to re-sign Trent. Haha, you already know I want this team to add a quality Center, as well.

Either an RFA or thru a S&T, doesn't matter that much to me.

My only concern is with the S&T option is that it becomes a broken promise, and we end up waiting for the acquisition of new talent that never arrives.

I will be disappointed if Lowry plays the rest of his career a Raptor and we treadmill when we could be tanking. Or even worse, tanking with Lowry.

And IF that happens, we will all be reflecting about why we didn't offload Lowry for garbage contracts and more picks when we had the chance last trade deadline.

[DanH]

You are right. They are entirely different scenarios though.
The S&T would be to a team that wants Lowry for multiple years and the other for a finals-push/cap relief.

And if he walks, well... RFA now, instead of picks + RFA later if we offloaded him sooner.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what his S&T value is.

Are we re-signing Trent in this scenario? Are we adding a C of any significant salary? If either, we will not be a cap space team anytime soon after this summer regardless of Lowry. It's RFA this summer or likely not until we break up this core.

[slaw]

You're assuming the agent would be mad at the Raptors, the reality is they'd be mad at Philly or whoever is trading for Lowry. They're the ones who want him, they're the ones who need to pony up assets to make a deal happen. Bartlestein will be telling Philly to stop being cheap fucks and throw in the picks, prove they want Lowry. He won't be upset with the Raptors for not eating a shit sandwich for the privilege of letting their best player ever go to another team.

The agent can always push Lowry to take less money and then he can go wherever he wants, but agents don't that because his salary is a % of Lowry's earnings.

I just think the dynamics are more complicated than they appear. Don't disagree that there would be pressure on wherever Lowry wanted to go (assuming they want him) but it's not a one-way street where the destination team needs to bend over for Toronto.

A lot of it will obviously depend on Lowry's options....I still think his free agency was the trade deadline and that showed his value around the league but perhaps with a lot of failed contenders the market will be more robust. It might end up being Lowry who needs to make some sacrifices.

[c-troop]

During the season he was signed until the end of the season, so teams would be trading for him only to guarantee they have him for a few months. If Philly made the trade and Lowry wasn't happy there, he walks in the offseason and they sent out assets for nothing. Lowry is more valuable now because he will be coming in on a fresh 2-3 year contract. Any team doing a S&T for Lowry will have the certainty they have him under contract for multiple years. That's a pretty huge difference.

You are right. They are entirely different scenarios though.
The S&T would be to a team that wants Lowry for multiple years and the other for a finals-push/cap relief.

And if he walks, well... RFA now, instead of picks + RFA later if we offloaded him sooner.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what his S&T value is.

[Primer]

I suspect the reality is that the Raps don't have as much leverage as you would think they do even in this scenario. If Lowry says he only wants to go to one team then Toronto will make it happen. Can you imagine unhappy Lowry? LOL. Would be a shit show. Plus, you're going to piss off one of the most powerful agents in the game in Mark Bartlestein? Nah, not gonna happen. Plus, teams aren't going to give up much for Lowry. I know that he is beloved in Raptorland and underappreciated around the league but the expectations for trades are outsized.

You're assuming the agent would be mad at the Raptors, the reality is they'd be mad at Philly or whoever is trading for Lowry. They're the ones who want him, they're the ones who need to pony up assets to make a deal happen. Bartlestein will be telling Philly to stop being cheap fucks and throw in the picks, prove they want Lowry. He won't be upset with the Raptors for not eating a shit sandwich for the privilege of letting their best player ever go to another team.

The agent can always push Lowry to take less money and then he can go wherever he wants, but agents don't that because his salary is a % of Lowry's earnings.

[Primer]

You are overvaluing a depreciating asset IMO.

The best-case scenario, of procuring a decent prospect and a pick last year didn't happen.
Then again, who's playing nice when your team is fresh off a championship?
His ceiling might've been picking up some bad contracts with 1st's attached for a playoff push or cap relief.

"Fine, we keep Lowry and we're already way better off than chasing other free agents" assume's Lowry doesn't want to jump off the sinking ship and doesn't address what the team needs. And last year's underwhelming season hurt his value even more for a sign and trade.

If he walks for nothing Masai will be kicking himself for not selling high when he had the chance.

During the season he was signed until the end of the season, so teams would be trading for him only to guarantee they have him for a few months. If Philly made the trade and Lowry wasn't happy there, he walks in the offseason and they sent out assets for nothing. Lowry is more valuable now because he will be coming in on a fresh 2-3 year contract. Any team doing a S&T for Lowry will have the certainty they have him under contract for multiple years. That's a pretty huge difference.

[c-troop]

If he walks for nothing, we chase a quality RFA and we will be fine. But if he wants to go to a winning team, there is limited choice for him unless he plays by the sign and trade rules - in which case the Raptors can set the price. And if other teams once again prove they don't properly value Lowry such that they'll pay him appropriately and also send enough value to allow themselves the ability to make such an offer via sign and trade, the Raptors will (once again) be all too happy to keep him (even if both sides agree it is with the intent to explore a contending landing spot come the deadline if the Raptors are struggling again).

My only gripe with that approach is every year longer that they decide to hang onto Lowry he eats up cap space, loses value if we are losing, the young core gets older, and the hypothetical potential future draft picks that we could've had are not part of the team. He also takes away minutes and shots from developing players.

If we chase a quality RFA this year, is that really better than eating a few bad contracts short term for picks and then chasing a quality RFA the year the bad contracts are up? I see it as a missed opportunity because treadmilling with Lowry for nothing (with intentions of trading him) is worse than treadmilling and picking up lottery picks if nothing ends up happening. Forget all this "we are better with him" hype. We could be getting better without him especially when he's not the future of this team anymore.

Edit: can't go back in time tho, so I guess it's RFA or S&T or treadmill with intentions.