Everything Kyle Lowry

[chris]

My guess is it's an essay to his sons or something like that. But not sure that's the sort of thing that would need a teaser. Can't imagine he's saying he's taking his talents to south beach this way.

not while putting the teaser in gold and black colours. also he couldn't announce something like that until free agency starts in august.

my guess is some sort of personal project.

edit: some kind of personal project called "through my eyes."

[Jclaw]

My guess is it's an essay to his sons or something like that. But not sure that's the sort of thing that would need a teaser. Can't imagine he's saying he's taking his talents to south beach this way.

[MixxAOR]

Oh shit

[Jclaw]

[G__Deane]

My bet is he stays. We shall see.

I don't think there's as many realistic option that have the cap room and willingness to pay what it appears Kyle thinks he's worth. We may well get him back and I bet for more than we have to if no one else is seriously bidding

[Maury]

My bet is he stays. We shall see.

[golden]

Clippers and 76ers have no shot at cap room, and probably no real shot at the full MLE either. So unless Lowry signs with them for about 5M a year, they need to do a sign and trade with the Raptors to be realistic targets (and even then it is a little tricky to get to work due to a sign and trade hard capping a team a little above the tax line).

Miami has 78M locked up in 5 guys this summer. So that's 7 empty roster slots (7M), taking them to 85M cap used, in a 112M cap. 27M in cap room, at most. If they are keeping Robinson and/or Nunn, it costs them 3.7M each in cap holds. So if they keep both they are at about 20M in cap room. Keeping only one could get them to 24M.

A team like the Knicks could have cap room aplenty and could decide they want to chase Lowry, but that seems a little too smart for that franchise. Lowry may also be wary of their one good season being a flash in the pan.

Personally, I think there are three relatively likely outcomes. 1) Lowry re-signs with the Raptors for 20-25M a year on a two year deal. 2) Lowry signs with the Heat outright for 20M a year on a three year term. 3) Lowry signs with Philly via a sign and trade, and the Raptors take back Thybulle, Maxey and a pick, as well as a combination of existing salary and some returning sign and traded salary to make the salaries match and keep Philly under the hard cap.

There are other SnT destinations that could work (even including the Heat) and other teams that could sign him outright but none of those seem particularly likely, IMO.

Yeah, I think you pretty much nailed the 3 most likely outcomes, in probably that order. 4th option could be a wild-card team that either missed the playoffs, or feels like Lowry can get them to the next level. I'm thinking a team like the Mavs, Pelicans or Knicks, who you mentioned. A lot would obviously depend on how the playoffs shake out and if that team's PG/playmaking was deemed sub-par.

[DanH]

Where do you guys think Lowry will end up. My gut feeling is he changes teams but wants to go to a contender. Realistically, I can see the clippers, heat, or 76ers in Kyle's future. Can any cap savvy people enlighten me if any of those teams have cap space to sign him outright? If not, I expect a sign and trade. Do you think we end up with some good players/picks in return? Or are we looking at a CB4 scenario where we all try and pretend the trade exception we got back is an amazing asset, just to make sure we do right by Lowry?

Clippers and 76ers have no shot at cap room, and probably no real shot at the full MLE either. So unless Lowry signs with them for about 5M a year, they need to do a sign and trade with the Raptors to be realistic targets (and even then it is a little tricky to get to work due to a sign and trade hard capping a team a little above the tax line).

Miami has 78M locked up in 5 guys this summer. So that's 7 empty roster slots (7M), taking them to 85M cap used, in a 112M cap. 27M in cap room, at most. If they are keeping Robinson and/or Nunn, it costs them 3.7M each in cap holds. So if they keep both they are at about 20M in cap room. Keeping only one could get them to 24M.

A team like the Knicks could have cap room aplenty and could decide they want to chase Lowry, but that seems a little too smart for that franchise. Lowry may also be wary of their one good season being a flash in the pan.

Personally, I think there are three relatively likely outcomes. 1) Lowry re-signs with the Raptors for 20-25M a year on a two year deal. 2) Lowry signs with the Heat outright for 20M a year on a three year term. 3) Lowry signs with Philly via a sign and trade, and the Raptors take back Thybulle, Maxey and a pick, as well as a combination of existing salary and some returning sign and traded salary to make the salaries match and keep Philly under the hard cap.

There are other SnT destinations that could work (even including the Heat) and other teams that could sign him outright but none of those seem particularly likely, IMO.

[Fuchan]

Sign and trade to Sixers

I see this as the most likely scenario. Philly kid returns as hometown hero, still has a year or two left to contend. It will all probably hinge on where this draft pick lands, although historically even if it's a top 3 pick, I don't see NN giving the reigns to a rookie. So next year is most likely another development year unless Masai is able to swing a big free agent (Are there even any this year?). Masai will probably free up as much space as he can (Lowry is gone), then pounce on a high paid impact player on an underachieving team at the deadline next year.

[Yuri Gagarin]

If they keep lowry i could see fred or flynn being traded. Especially if they draft a pg. something is gonna get done I doubt we go into next season with the same team and one draft pick

[MixxAOR]

Sign and trade to Sixers

[Fuchan]

Where do you guys think Lowry will end up. My gut feeling is he changes teams but wants to go to a contender. Realistically, I can see the clippers, heat, or 76ers in Kyle's future. Can any cap savvy people enlighten me if any of those teams have cap space to sign him outright? If not, I expect a sign and trade. Do you think we end up with some good players/picks in return? Or are we looking at a CB4 scenario where we all try and pretend the trade exception we got back is an amazing asset, just to make sure we do right by Lowry?

[DanH]

What’s this talk about Norm being able to play the 4 at times and Trent not being able to play the 3? Norm is 6’3” with a 6’11” wingspan. Trent is 6’5” with a 6’9” wingspan. They are essentially the same size. Of course both can play either wing position, especially off the bench.

[slaw]

Interesting how Masai, un-prompted, brought up the development of young players as a consideration in the context of answering the question about re-signing Lowry as a FA. If both FVV and Lowry are on the roster, then having enough development minutes to go-around is definitely a real thing and Masai basically acknowledged that.

Not re-signing Lowry, does give the team a nice excuse not to overpay, if that's part of the agenda. So, Lowry could end up leaving the Raps simply to seek more money, just like D-Wade did with the Heat. That seems like the most likely scenario, IMO.

One of the things that has spoiled Raptorland over the last 8 years is that the team has both won and developed a lot of young players at the same time. This is pretty much impossible to do in the NBA but Toronto pulled it off - they basically rebuilt the core of the team while they won a title. We've had our cake and eaten it, too.


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[The Claw Reborn]

You are right and indisputable, we need Patrick McCaw back and we are all set.

Pick Davion Mitchell at 6’2 then stash both of them in the G league to get them reps...smh

Lowry
Van Vleet
Flynn
Harris
GTJ
Mitchell
Then resign McCaw

Masai should be fired