Duane Casey's coaching ability..

[stooley]

I just wanna pipe in here. I completely understand how last night's game could drive someone crazy. I really love seeing the young guns show their stuff.

But Casey's gotten this team to play pretty well. I think we should really make an effort and try and understand why he may have made those moves. I'm sure Casey does have a veteran bias (obviously), but there must be more behind those subs.

[JimiCliff]

I just wanna pipe in here. I completely understand how last night's game could drive someone crazy. I really love seeing the young guns show their stuff.

But Casey's gotten this team to play pretty well. I think we should really make an effort and try and understand why he may have made those moves. I'm sure Casey does have a veteran bias (obviously), but there must be more behind those subs.

Stooley, squeaking out a win

at home

against a tanking team

when you're trying to clinch a playoff spot -

that's playing well?

[chico]

I just wanna pipe in here. I completely understand how last night's game could drive someone crazy. I really love seeing the young guns show their stuff.

But Casey's gotten this team to play pretty well. I think we should really make an effort and try and understand why he may have made those moves. I'm sure Casey does have a veteran bias (obviously), but there must be more behind those subs.

There's so much more that an NBA coach has to consider in a 82 game schedule, while developing young players, managing aching bodies' minutes, while preparing for the playoffs. Some of these keyboard coaches need to get over themselves and their video game successes. Shit Casey has a team most thought were headed for the lottery, 10 games over .500, and all he gets is flack from most fans here. Incredible.

[stooley]

Stooley, squeaking out a win

at home

against a tanking team

when you're trying to clinch a playoff spot -

that's playing well?

Well, last night's game wasn't pretty.

I just mean over all - and that kind of indicates to me that it's not that likely that he makes completely baseless decisions that hurt his teams chances to win very frequently. And it's not like that subbing is a completely flawed way of running a team - it does have its merits.

Also, last night was like the opposite of our usual fourth quarters. Terrible execution most of the way with some nice plays in the last 2 minutes to seal the deal.

[MACK11]

Why the hell did I say that loooool

[MACK11]

I just wanna pipe in here. I completely understand how last night's game could drive someone crazy. I really love seeing the young guns show their stuff.

But Casey's gotten this team to play pretty well. I think we should really make an effort and try and understand why he may have made those moves. I'm sure Casey does have a veteran bias (obviously), but there must be more behind those subs.

Having Vasquez in late in the fourth was actually a detriment to the team because rondo was easily getting around him like he wasn't even there in sure if Ross was on rondo it would not have been thay easy

[Scraptor]

Actually I think this would be a lot better stat for what you were asking for. http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2014/0...d-in-overtime/

Wow. Great find. Hope everyone reads it.

I don't know that I agree with his conclusion (the Raptors are still learning how to win). I think these stats basically prove what many of us have been saying for a long time: Casey is a solid motivator who sucks at endgame. Be it subs or play calls I have never seen so many late game wtf-worthy decisions from a single coach in my history of watching ball.

And it can't just be the young team learning how to win, because the exact same thing was a problem last year.

If there's one thing that separates the men from the boys in coaching, it's endgame. And the playoffs are endgame ratcheted up several notches.

I will make a prediction now and I will gladly eat my words if it doesn't happen: when (if? lol) we lose, Casey is going to blame it on the kids, even though there will probably be plenty of other reasons we lost. He'll have subbed in Salmons and Hayes for 20+ minutes each and he'll let them off the hook.

I really wonder what Masai makes of all this. If he re-hires Casey I can't even fathom how frustrating next season will be.

[BigCamB]

Well, last night's game wasn't pretty.

I just mean over all - and that kind of indicates to me that it's not that likely that he makes completely baseless decisions that hurt his teams chances to win very frequently. And it's not like that subbing is a completely flawed way of running a team - it does have its merits.

Also, last night was like the opposite of our usual fourth quarters. Terrible execution most of the way with some nice plays in the last 2 minutes to seal the deal.

Usually even if I don't like how he treats the young guys, I can at least understand why he does what he does. This game was completely different though... Both guys were playing extremely well. Ross was constantly creating off the dribble making plays that we haven't seen that consistently from him, JV played one of his better defensive games. I just don't understand how you can treat them like that if they're two of the best players on the court. It got to the point in the fourth that I was sure Ross was injured he was waiting that damn long to put him back in, it was a joke.

[stooley]

Having Vasquez in late in the fourth was actually a detriment to the team because rondo was easily getting around him like he wasn't even there in sure if Ross was on rondo it would not have been thay easy

Right but so this has something to do with my point.

Was Vasquez in there to ease the load on Lowry, who had twisted his ankle earlier in the game?

Was he in there to try and add more ball handling to secure possessions or to try and overcome the lack of ball movement?

[Scraptor]

In college, I got really drunk once and passed out on my friends couch. Waking up that morning, I realized I had pissed myself in my sleep. THANK GOD THE COUCH WAS LEATHER. Tried calling someone to pick me up but I realized my phone was ruined because the way I was positioned in my sleep, the piss got all over the phone. So my phone was ruined and I had to walk about a mile wearing piss soaked jeans.

Let me see if I understand.... You are Masai Ujiri. The couch is the Raptors. Your phone is the playoffs. And the piss is Dwane Casey?

This is obviously a prophecy. If Masai does not change out of his clothes he will have to live with the stinky uncomfortable consequences for a while. All hail MACK11.

[MACK11]

Right but so this has something to do with my point.

Was Vasquez in there to ease the load on Lowry, who had twisted his ankle earlier in the game?

Was he in there to try and add more ball handling to secure possessions or to try and overcome the lack of ball movement?

Vasquez rarely passes the ball when he out they're and if Kyle was hurt bad enough that Vasquez had to take the ball handling from him then Kyle should have not been playing.

Also Ross was actually doing a great job with the ball movement and creating shots for others yesterday

[JimiCliff]

There's so much more that an NBA coach has to consider in a 82 game schedule, while developing young players, managing aching bodies' minutes, while preparing for the playoffs. Some of these keyboard coaches need to get over themselves and their video game successes. Shit Casey has a team most thought were headed for the lottery, 10 games over .500, and all he gets is flack from most fans here. Incredible.

Could be that we're all just keyboard coaches.

Or it could be that

when multiple passionate, reasonably intelligent (or at least it seems that way lol) fans

who've watched many, many games of basketball over their lives

all come to a similar conclusion

it could be that they're on to something.

[stooley]

Could be that we're all just keyboard coaches.

Or it could be that

when multiple passionate, reasonably intelligent (or at least it seems that way lol) fans

who've watched many, many games of basketball over their lives

all come to a similar conclusion

it could be that they're on to something.

Yeah, I was gonna say something about that.

BUT - we're all getting the same vantage point. We all watch the game from the same perspective, so it may be that our opinion is formulated out of that.

We don't sit on practices, have long talks with players. We don't know what's going on beyond the floor.

[Chr1s1anL]

Casey has done everything he was brought in to do. Change the culture and improve the defence. He also did a great job developing young players. Take your pick Amir, DD, Ross and JV. All having career years. No coach is perfect. I don't think Casey is a finished product either. To me if he wins a series his the best coach in Raptor history. He has now 100 win as raptor coach. Only 3 other coaches have done that with the raptors Mitchell and Wilkins. This team is the fastest team to clinch a playoffs berth. Teams second ever Atlantic division title. I except this team to make it to the second round and if they do Masai going to have a hard time not re-upping on Casey.


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[JimiCliff]

Yeah, I was gonna say something about that.

BUT - we're all getting the same vantage point. We all watch the game from the same perspective, so it may be that our opinion is formulated out of that.

We don't sit on practices, have long talks with players. We don't know what's going on beyond the floor.

Very true. This could, though, actually be beneficial, in that it actually makes us more objective; all we care about is seeing the best players on the floor, regardless of everything else.

I remember reading somewhere, in some stats-based paper, that the way in which coaches impact the game most is the degree to which they play their best players. It's a simple idea: the best coaches play their best players most frequently. Seems obvious, right? Well, many coaches actually don't do this very well, and these coaches lose more often.