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[GLF]

But when you look at drives per game and points off drives per game he's 20th. Not as great but still pretty good.

[GLF]

Good but not great. Sorry but I have high standards. That's why I'm not surprised by his position at 12.

I think that's pretty great actually. For someone with the lack of ball handling and lack of a good first step that he has being 12th is amazing.

[GLF]

Just looked it up. He's 14th in total points on drives. That's crazy. I didn't think he was that good.

[Ambidextrious]

k you're being ridiculous now. 12th is crazy good.

Good but not great. Sorry but I have high standards. That's why I'm not surprised by his position at 12.

[Ambidextrious]

obviously you're surprised and are just trying to backpedal with your response. top 12 isn't good enough for you? who do you think he is? lebron? oh wait, lebron is 13th in # of drives.

all of those top players 'average tons of minutes' per game.

demar plays on average 38.6 minutes a game. there are 5 players who play > 38 and they are:

james harden
carmelo anthony
kevin durant
jimmy butler
demar derozan

guess who drives more than all of them? demar.

Backpedaling? Oh please. First of all wheres your Source??? Demar is ahead of Lebron because doesn't rely on driving bc he is an efficient scorer. And in that list of players who play 38+ mins he's still behind jimmy butler??? The first three guys fall under the Lebron Category: efficient and capable of doing other things on the court like defence (with the exception). Stop being so condescending. Everyone's entitled to their own opionion

[GLF]

Well I'm not surprised. He averages a ton of minutes and the ball goes through him on almost every possession. 12th is not good enough in my opinion in comparison to being in top 5, which he's easily capable of. Don't set your standards low. Its like saying my girlfriend only goes down on me once a month. Its not good enough lol

k you're being ridiculous now. 12th is crazy good.

[GLF]

obviously you're surprised and are just trying to backpedal with your response. top 12 isn't good enough for you? who do you think he is? lebron? oh wait, lebron is 13th in # of drives.

all of those top players 'average tons of minutes' per game.

demar plays on average 38.6 minutes a game. there are 5 players who play > 38 and they are:

james harden
carmelo anthony
kevin durant
jimmy butler
demar derozan

guess who drives more than all of them? demar.

WOW you did a REALLY good job finding that stat. That's crazy that he's 12th. I would never have believed that otherwise. Is that stat based on how much he drives period (whether it's to pass or score) or based off of how much he scores from driving?

[iblastoff]

Well I'm not surprised. He averages a ton of minutes and the ball goes through him on almost every possession. 12th is not good enough in my opinion in comparison to being in top 5, which he's easily capable of. Don't set your standards low. Its like saying my girlfriend only goes down on me once a month. Its not good enough lol

obviously you're surprised and are just trying to backpedal with your response. top 12 isn't good enough for you? who do you think he is? lebron? oh wait, lebron is 13th in # of drives.

all of those top players 'average tons of minutes' per game.

demar plays on average 38.6 minutes a game. there are 5 players who play > 38 and they are:

james harden
carmelo anthony
kevin durant
jimmy butler
demar derozan

guess who drives more than all of them? demar.

[Ambidextrious]

Guilty as charged. Good coaching coach.

Wow I think were having a breakthrough lol

[Puffer]

...I think you are also a part of the issue. As a reader you need to envision it if a person were saying it because forums are designed as tools to converse between people who are unable to due to distance/anonymity. It is your job as the reader to interpret and apply context/emotion to what you are reading. The world is full of a ton of grey so you should stop reading things as black and white.

For example "Why doesn't DD ever drive to the hoop?" - means why doesn't he use that as his main weapon? not "he has never done it before in his life!!??" Add a little grey...

Guilty as charged. Good coaching coach.

[Ambidextrious]

for everyone complaining about demar and lack of driving to the hoop:

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingD...&sortOrder=DES

demar is 12th in the league in amount of drives.

Well I'm not surprised. He averages a ton of minutes and the ball goes through him on almost every possession. 12th is not good enough in my opinion in comparison to being in top 5, which he's easily capable of. Don't set your standards low. Its like saying my girlfriend only goes down on me once a month. Its not good enough lol

[Ambidextrious]

Anyone watching the spurs and thunder game? This is an example of playoff officiating. The refs aren't bailing anyone out.

[BigCamB]

Ross 2nd year USG: 18.7%
Demar's 2nd year USG: 23.2%
Demar = 24% more

Ross 2nd year MPG: 26.4
Demar 2nd year MPG: 35
Demar = 32% more

Ross's adjusted FTA (if he had same usage and mpg) is 1.1 x 1.32 x 1.24 = 1.8
Demar's was 4.9

So he still sits well ahead of Ross on the FTA per game.

Not taking sides, just picking out inconsistencies, being a pain in the ass, which i love.

Cool.

And Ross is on target for making like 33 times the amount of threes. Wow. Much difference.

Completely irrelevant, but I like being annoying as well.

Or,..or...or... Maybe they just complement each other well..nah, surely not.

[iblastoff]

for everyone complaining about demar and lack of driving to the hoop:

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingD...&sortOrder=DES

demar is 12th in the league in amount of drives.

[OldSkoolCool]

Thats the thing. Thats my biggest issue with some of the posters on here. Some criticize DD for is consistency but don't criticize other players who should be doing the very things they expect from Demar (how often does Ross get to the line?). Demar is top 10 in scoring and free throw attempts/makes.....what more can you possibly want?

In all fairness, if you're going to critize someone (OldSkoolCool this is for you)

Demar's rookie season FTA 2.5 per game in 21 mins / Demar's second year his FTA rose to 4.9 per game at 35 mins

Ross's rookie season FTA 0.6 per game in 17 mins / Ross' second season rose to 1.1 FTA per game in 26.4 mins

Just take that in.... I wonder when you will start to criticize Ross.

Demar averages 7.9 FTA per game this season BTW.

Dat rep

As I pointed out the TEAM as a whole needs to do a better job getting into the paint, whether by driving or kicking it into the post. Since DD is the main guy who RARELY ever passes into the post and who settles for the jumper he does take a ton of blame for this and rightly so.

DD just plays a certain style of basketball that does not fit my philosophies of how a team should operate, hence why I do not want him in a Raptors jersey come next season. It also explain why I don't think he is that good, because he is not good at what I would like from his position on the court.

This is a forum, not a bunch of guys sitting around in a room watching a game on a big screen TV. There is no catching tone or facial expression. Words have meanings, and we can't read minds. So if some guy says "This team is shit" I take that to mean he thinks the team is shit. If he had said "This team is playing like shit right now" then I take that to mean he hates the way the team is playing, but recognizes they are capable of better.

If somebody writes, "Why doesn't DeRozan ever drive to the hoop" then I have to assume the writer is blind, or wilfully ignorant because I see DeRozan take it to the hoop every game...not as frequently as I would like, or as frequently as most of us would like, but he does take it to the hoop.

I am not going to apologize for responding to someone who is either writing stuff that is demonstrably wrong, or something that is not what they really mean. On the other hand, if being clear is not important to you, then in future I will ignore this type of post. You can go ahead and keep being ignorant and uninformed...I mean writing as if you are ignorant and uninformed. See the difference?

I think you are also a part of the issue. As a reader you need to envision it if a person were saying it because forums are designed as tools to converse between people who are unable to due to distance/anonymity. It is your job as the reader to interpret and apply context/emotion to what you are reading. The world is full of a ton of grey so you should stop reading things as black and white.

For example "Why doesn't DD ever drive to the hoop?" - means why doesn't he use that as his main weapon? not "he has never done it before in his life!!??"

Add a little grey

I agree. People think DD can do it whenever he wants but you have to have better handles and first step than DD does if you want to get into the paint at will. DD at times can't even get passed a big man one on one so I know he doesn't have the first step to get to the rim at will.

Thx for describing the slow feet, is a really good example of it.