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  • planetmars
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    Absolutely
    100%
    All I said is he's open to some low key questions/criticism for the moves and lack thereof this year, starting with Bobby and his contracts. Let's see what he does when the trade lanes open up.
    He has his critics.. and he was criticized heavily for the DeMar trade. Many "fans" didn't think Kawhi would show up to camp. I mean that was a 50/50 split when the trade went down and DeMar's feelings were hurt.

    And I do see that a lot of fans are upset that Lowry has not been traded yet, and the team hasn't taken a step back on purpose. If he stands pat (which he's known to do) he'll get even more venom thrown his way.



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  • G__Deane
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    A.I wrote: View Post

    Colangelo got a job after the mess he made in Toronto. Even with the mistakes Masai made, the positive impact he has made far outweighs the negatives.
    Of course, I'm not sure who ever would say otherwise.

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  • G__Deane
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post

    I think a lot of teams still see it as upgrade
    Absolutely
    100%
    All I said is he's open to some low key questions/criticism for the moves and lack thereof this year, starting with Bobby and his contracts. Let's see what he does when the trade lanes open up.

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  • A.I
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    So never made a mistake and is above all question/criticism? Doesn't exist ....
    Colangelo got a job after the mess he made in Toronto. Even with the mistakes Masai made, the positive impact he has made far outweighs the negatives.

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  • DanH
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    So never made a mistake and is above all question/criticism? Doesn't exist ....
    On the scale of NBA GMs? Yes! He has a job for life in this league if he wants it pretty much no matter what he does from this point on.

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  • MixxAOR
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    So never made a mistake and is above all question/criticism? Doesn't exist ....
    I think a lot of teams still see it as upgrade

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  • G__Deane
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    There is no scenario where Masai would be viewed as anything less than the ideal GM/President. A few losses now does not change that.
    So never made a mistake and is above all question/criticism? Doesn't exist ....

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  • DanH
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Well, if MLSE isn't open to giving an ownership stake, and Seattle is offering founder level equity in a new franchise, then that's definitely a new level for Masai.
    More money wasn't the bigger things I was talking about. I mean, it's possible, anything is.

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  • DanH
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    I didn't say he's never faced criticism before. It's the first real time since the chip and the idea that he can do no wrong is changing.
    Bringing Giannis here would have cemented him as a small g basketball god in Toronto. Now he just has to build this back into a serious ECF or finals contender which I don't think they are except in an anything-can-happen NBA way.

    And I don't think he was really criticized over DD or Casey, most fans knew it had to happen and almost everyone recognized that he had even given them one year longer to try try again. DD for Kawhi especially was understood as too bad but 100% understandable, you do that 100X out of 100 regardless of the outcome. Still, he was uber fortunate it worked out.
    There is no scenario where Masai would be viewed as anything less than the ideal GM/President. A few losses now does not change that.

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  • G__Deane
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    slaw wrote: View Post

    He would be sought after by 29 teams if he became available. The idea that he's never faced criticism before is bizarre. He was hammered in the local press for cleaning house within weeks of arriving! He was criticized for how he handled the Derozan deal, Casey, etc. Ujiri's image is only tarnished right now among a small slice of the hard core fan base that has particular ideas about where the team should be headed....
    I didn't say he's never faced criticism before. It's the first real time since the chip and the idea that he can do no wrong is changing.
    Bringing Giannis here would have cemented him as a small g basketball god in Toronto. Now he just has to build this back into a serious ECF or finals contender which I don't think they are except in an anything-can-happen NBA way.

    And I don't think he was really criticized over DD or Casey, most fans knew it had to happen and almost everyone recognized that he had even given them one year longer to try try again. DD for Kawhi especially was understood as too bad but 100% understandable, you do that 100X out of 100 regardless of the outcome. Still, he was uber fortunate it worked out.
    Last edited by G__Deane; Tue Jan 26, 2021, 12:56 PM.

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  • slaw
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    Masai still has all the bargaining power but "his stock has never been higher" is untrue. There are actually cracks in the armour now and he's facing his first minor but well deserved criticism as to how he's handled Gasol/Serge/Giannis/Len/Baynes and the contract for Bobby and himself. His next test will be handling the trading/re-signing or losing of Lowry and my biggest fear (more than letting him walk) is to overpay him on a multi year contract to avoid the optics of yet another star player walking for nothing.
    He would be sought after by 29 teams if he became available. The idea that he's never faced criticism before is bizarre. He was hammered in the local press for cleaning house within weeks of arriving! He was criticized for how he handled the Derozan deal, Casey, etc. Ujiri's image is only tarnished right now among a small slice of the hard core fan base that has particular ideas about where the team should be headed....

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  • A.I
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    Masai still has all the bargaining power but "his stock has never been higher" is untrue. There are actually cracks in the armour now and he's facing his first minor but well deserved criticism as to how he's handled Gasol/Serge/Giannis/Len/Baynes and the contract for Bobby and himself. His next test will be handling the trading/re-signing or losing of Lowry and my biggest fear (more than letting him walk) is to overpay him on a multi year contract to avoid the optics of yet another star player walking for nothing.
    Well Lowry has already re-signed with the Raptors before. I'd say its illogical to expect every star player the Raptors get to stay with the team until they retire.

    Obviously best case scenario would be either you trade him for assets or you bring him back on a good deal.

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  • G__Deane
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    Fuchan wrote: View Post

    I can see Masai maintaining his bargaining power. His stock has never been higher right now, doesn't make sense to lock himself up long term unless it's a sweetheart deal. If Masai wants ownership stake, MLSE should be falling over themselves to get this done, which I hope is the case.
    Masai still has all the bargaining power but "his stock has never been higher" is untrue. There are actually cracks in the armour now and he's facing his first minor but well deserved criticism as to how he's handled Gasol/Serge/Giannis/Len/Baynes and the contract for Bobby and himself. His next test will be handling the trading/re-signing or losing of Lowry and my biggest fear (more than letting him walk) is to overpay him on a multi year contract to avoid the optics of yet another star player walking for nothing.

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  • golden
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    Hey, when you have an elite talent, you give them whatever they want. I'll take however many years Masai wants to give.

    But I do think when he leaves, it will probably be for bigger things, not the same stuff with another team.
    Well, if MLSE isn't open to giving an ownership stake, and Seattle is offering founder level equity in a new franchise, then that's definitely a new level for Masai.

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  • DanH
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    golden wrote: View Post

    The Seattle NBA expansion with Tim Lieweke recruiting Masai makes a ton of sense. After stoking the expansion fires recently, Adam Silver just announced that they wouldn’t be looking at expansion again until 2022. Masai has probably been waiting on clarity of timing before re-upping. He’ll be like Lebron and keep signing a 1+1 every year, Lol.
    Hey, when you have an elite talent, you give them whatever they want. I'll take however many years Masai wants to give.

    But I do think when he leaves, it will probably be for bigger things, not the same stuff with another team.

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