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  • Awfully political in the everything Raptors forum today.. that lull between championship hangover and free agency
    It's Klaw Season. Time to hunt.

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    • The racial profiling of Masai Ujiri
      https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the-...f-masai-ujiri/

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      • golden wrote: View Post
        You're arguing that Masai somehow deserves this humiliating treatment.
        Direct quote where I said that. Don't be an asshole, it doesn't suit you.

        golden wrote: View Post
        First off, he should have received a VIP escort to the court from the beginning.
        He didn't have it and that's not the police's job. That's the Warriors.

        golden wrote: View Post
        Secondly, he never should have been detained.
        Agreed.

        golden wrote: View Post
        Thirdly, he had his credentials with him.
        I don't know what he had, show me what he had that allowed him on the floor.

        golden wrote: View Post
        Fourthly, lots of other people (i.e. white) went right past security en masse. Fifthly, there is zero evidence that Masai punched or hit anybody, as is being alleged.
        They say they have video... Lets see it.

        golden wrote: View Post
        Yet somehow you are believing the police have some type of case to keep this charade going, when they should be apologizing for the 5 points (at a minimum) that I mentioned above. IMO, sounds a lot like a justification for their crazy actions, and grasping at the same phantom straws that the police are.

        Hope that explains it.
        I said they have a case because its reported they're bringing their case forward to the DA. This isn't poetry. Doesn't matter what I think but I did say this:
        Apollo wrote: View Post
        I think all those eyeballs and cameras is the evidence. I believe in Masai.
        Apollo wrote: View Post
        I'm not excusing anyone or pointing blame at Masai​​
        Apollo wrote: View Post
        I hope Masai is innocent
        Apollo wrote: View Post
        I think where this is so high profile the police are likely to make a total embarrassment out of their force if their video evidence doesn't back this up. I also think this won't get past the DA unless it's air tight.
        Last edited by Apollo; Thu Jun 20th, 2019, 11:34 AM.

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        • Well, if anyone knows about assaulting people it's Andray Domise, though, I believe his particular area of expertise is beating up women.

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          • slaw wrote: View Post

            Well, if anyone knows about assaulting people it's Andray Domise, though, I believe his particular area of expertise is beating up women.
            Had no idea. Saw the piece, read it ... thought it was worthwhile posting here. Didn't know you were so plugged in to Canadian journo bios. However... any comment on the piece itself?

            fyi...

            https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...withdrawn.html

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            • Bendit wrote: View Post

              Had no idea. Saw the piece, read it ... thought it was worthwhile posting here. Didn't know you were so plugged in to Canadian journo bios. However... any comment on the piece itself?

              fyi...

              https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...withdrawn.html
              Has the DA made any public statements regarding the case? The lawsuit/damages suggest guy sees $'s. US is a crazy litigous, greedy, selfish society. Masai wants to move there? BS lol.

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              • Apollo wrote: View Post

                Indeed, this is what I'm getting at. If it was a racist act still stand down. People get shot for less than this in the states.
                People get shot by police for literally nothing in the States, which is the point. Standing down is often not effective.
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                • https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...ws/1788481/amp

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                  • DanH wrote: View Post

                    People get shot by police for literally nothing in the States, which is the point. Standing down is often not effective.
                    I beg to differ. Striking back generally escalates situations. Dan, if a cop gives you shit just go with the flow. Let the lawyers fix it up after if your rights have been trampled. Standing down is the most effective option available.

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                    • Slowly, but surely, they're walking back this abomination.... still no apology.

                      Masai Ujiri presented NBA identification to the deputy who refused to allow the Toronto Raptors president of basketball operations onto the court at Oracle Arena following the team's NBA Finals victory, the Alameda County Sheriff's Office told Robyn Doolittle of The Globe and Mail.

                      The Sheriff's Office also confirmed that Ujiri identified himself as the team's president to the deputy before their confrontation.

                      However, police say Ujiri didn't have the correct credentials required to enter the court. The Sheriff's Office's spokesperson, Sergeant Ray Kelly, told Doolittle that the Raptors executive presented his credentials in a "very threatening kind of way" in the deputy's face. The officer then pushed Ujiri away because he felt his personal space was being violated, according to Kelly.

                      Kelly claims that video footage from Oracle Arena captured Ujiri retaliating by striking the deputy in the face with "two fists," one of which landed "underneath his jaw on the left side of his face." However, the body-cam video on the deputy switched off once Ujiri made contact, according to police.

                      Since then, the deputy has hired a high-profile civil rights attorney and may file a lawsuit against Ujiri, the Raptors, and the NBA. Police say the deputy isn't working due to a concussion and jaw injury suffered from the incident.

                      The Sheriff's Office and the Oakland Police Department are investigating the confrontation and are expected to file reports with the District Attorney's office soon, according to Doolittle. From there, it will be determined if charges will be laid against Ujiri.
                      Guaranteed that the so-called video footage from way up in Oracle Arena (if it is ever released) is going to be grainier and less conclusive than a bigfoot sighting. In this day and age of smartphone cameras everywhere, it's pretty hard to believe that there were close to 30,000 people there, yet not a single video has emerged showing Masai's left hook / right cross combination. And that the most compelling evidence (the police body camera) switched off at the exact moment necessary to provide conclusive proof.

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                      • DanH wrote: View Post

                        People get shot by police for literally nothing in the States, which is the point. Standing down is often not effective.
                        What scenario is the more likely to result in getting shot in a sea of 20,000 screaming fans?
                        -Hands out "I'm Masai Ujiri, President of the Toronto Raptors" my credentials are here in my hand/pocket....
                        -"Out of my way!" pushes by the mall cop, gets pushed back, slam the cop harder

                        I think it's fair to say that "standing down" and de-escalating the situation may have been a tad more effective in this case....I want to see the tape....

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                        • You need to highlight a bit more of the pertinent information....
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                          Who the hell didn't make sure he had the right ID to enter the court?

                          Police confirm Ujiri identified himself to deputy, showed credentials
                          Chicco Nacion
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                          Vaughn Ridley / Getty Images Sport / Getty

                          Masai Ujiri did present NBA identification to the sheriff's deputy who refused to allow him onto the Oracle Arena court after the Toronto Raptors' NBA Finals victory, the Alameda County Sheriff's Office told Robyn Doolittle of The Globe and Mail.

                          The Raptors president of basketball operations was involved in an altercation with the deputy following Game 6. Sheriff's Office spokesperson Sgt. Ray Kelly said last week that the deputy tried to stop Ujiri from entering the court because he "had no credential displayed, and our deputy asked for his credential."

                          The Sheriff's Office has now also confirmed that Ujiri told the deputy what his role with the team was before their confrontation.

                          However, police say Ujiri didn't have the correct credentials required to enter the court. Kelly told Doolittle that the Raptors executive presented his credentials in a "very threatening kind of way" in the deputy's face. The officer then pushed Ujiri away because he felt his personal space was being violated, according to Kelly.

                          Kelly said that video footage from Oracle Arena captured Ujiri retaliating by striking the deputy in the face with "two fists," one of which landed "underneath his jaw on the left side of his face." The body camera on the deputy switched off once Ujiri made contact, according to police.

                          The deputy has hired a high-profile civil rights attorney and may file a lawsuit against Ujiri, the Raptors, and the NBA. Police say the deputy isn't working due to a concussion and jaw injury suffered from the incident.

                          The Sheriff's Office and the Oakland Police Department are investigating the confrontation and are expected to file reports with the district attorney's office soon, according to Doolittle. From there, it will be determined if charges will be laid against Ujiri.
                          Last edited by G__Deane; Thu Jun 20th, 2019, 01:54 PM.

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                          • Bendit wrote: View Post

                            Had no idea. Saw the piece, read it ... thought it was worthwhile posting here. Didn't know you were so plugged in to Canadian journo bios. However... any comment on the piece itself?

                            fyi...

                            https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...withdrawn.html
                            The name was familiar to me - I'll leave it at that.

                            My comment on the article is this: when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

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                            • slaw wrote: View Post

                              The name was familiar to me - I'll leave it at that.

                              My comment on the article is this: when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
                              I shall take your comment to mean the cop having the hammer here.

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                              • What a tough situation. Ujiri was obviously amped and trying to get to the court. Did he even realize in that moment he was dealing with Oakland PD? Was he looking at this guy or just trying to get past this guy? The celebration had already started, think of the frame of mind he'd be in, in that crowd, at that moment.

                                Police getting aggressive pisses me off. Ujiri had team credentials but not the purple ones with the gold armband? WTF is this, border patrol? The cop is "protecting" the court for the celebration of the goddamn NBA Finals and he has the credentials of the President of the Toronto Raptors, who just won the Finals, right in front of him. So he decides to give this guy a shove because his credentials are the wrong colour? Fuck off. That rationale is completely out of line for initiating violence in that context.

                                What I do know is in the video where Lowry grabs Ujiri, Ujiri was clearly rattled. This was not a routine traffic stop situation. It was crazy. It was the Finals. ALSO, Ujiri got on the floor because a bunch of people waved their arms and Lowry pulled him over. So apparently a purple pass and a gold armband are not a mandatory document required for entrance to the court. Apparently you can use your head and see that everybody is yelling that this guy belongs on the floor and realize maybe the purple pass doesn't matter. And they obviously, obviously were not carding everybody in that situation. We know this.

                                The cops always have some rationale for their behaviour. Always. It doesn't mean they were right. Context especially means a lot.

                                As for standing down - unarmed men have literally been shot in the back while lying down in that country. Police violence is a huge, huge issue.
                                "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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