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  • BigCamB
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    Edit, wrong thread

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  • Superjudge
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    Well both are dangerous.

    Pierce can beat a team all on his own. Joe Johnson is a beast when motivated.

    So can Williams.


    But you're right wall can too.

    Point is. NONE of this matters..... a mathematically calculated 1.5% advantage means nothing at all. Nothing. Once that ball is in play, its the playoffs...... period.

    Toronto, its players, coaches and even fans should only have one focus, one care, one worry....and thats doing what THEY need to do, and thats Toronto taking care fo what THEY control.

    And thats it.

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  • imanshumpert
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    I'm actually not sure why people want to play the Wizards over the Nets btw.

    The Nets are a terrible road team (16-24). We're 2-2 against them. The first loss was when we still had Gay. In the post-Gay era we're 2-1 against them. One of those wins was actually without DeRozan, and in the loss Ross, Val and especially DeMar all played like crap which is a very rare occurrence.

    I'm of the belief that the best player in a series usually wins the series. As much as basketball is a team sport, that's how things tend to work in the playoffs. Whichever team has the best player (not best player in general but best in that series) tends to win it. Imo, Lowry and DeRozan are better than anyone on the Nets. I can't really say the same for the Wizards because they have that guy John Wall. Normally, you could make a case that any one of those 3 (Lowry, DeMar, Wall) is the best player. But we all saw that last Wizards game. Wall is capable of elevating his game to a very high level, and he could do that in a series and just end up taking it over and beating us, I don't think Brooklyn has a player like that.

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  • Nilanka
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    If after careful analysis, the suits the run the Raptors conclude that there's a 25% chance of beating the Nets, and a 75% chance of beating the Wizards, wouldn't it be in the team's best interest (and the fans' best interest) to do what they can to position themselves up to face Washington? I made these numbers up, but you get the idea.

    I understand what you're saying about an athlete's competitive nature, and honour, etc. But nobody will be questioning the decision if we're one of the 8 teams left standing in 3 weeks.

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  • Superjudge
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    on paper Nilanka.

    on paper.

    As an athlete, there is no room for this noise. Its not a healthy mindset.

    You are heading into the playoffs. If your goal is to win, you cannot, and do not look last your fist opponent.... nor do you worry if its this team or that team. And if you DO prefer one over the other , you sure s hell dont let that go public. Tanking to get a team is a sure fire way of letting the world know.

    I don't like it. every team is gonna be a battle. and to advance, you have to play winners from round one on anyhow..... there aren't "easy" match ups". Its a myth.... they dont exist in the playoffs.

    Teams all want at toronto because they have sucked forever and are young.
    Do we all agree? Should toronto even be there? Or are they capable of taking out anyone??

    Which is it?

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  • makeready
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    I would hope that the starters never take a game off against anyone. I would also hope that Casey sits them when it's mathematically advantageous to do so.

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  • imanshumpert
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    I mean mathematically it makes sense for us to throw the game. Although it doesn't actually guarantee us anything. Even if we lose the game, we could actually end up being in a "worse" position.

    Charlotte beats Chicago
    Boston beats Washington

    Then you're looking at:
    1.) Indiana
    2.) Miami
    3.) Toronto
    4.) Chicago
    5.) Brooklyn
    6.) Charlotte
    7.) Washington
    8.) Atlanta

    So then we get the "dreaded" Charlotte who we haven't beaten this year in the first round (and who have won 7 of their last 8), and we'd still be stuck playing Miami in round 2.

    Trying to lose to jockey for a particular playoff position is just dumb in my opinion unless your loss 100% guarantees you something. If it's still dependent on what other teams do (which it is in our case) then just play the damn game to win and let fate decide.

    If the Nets are actually "tanking" to try and play us, it will be very funny if a nightmare scenario happens for them where Washington and Chicago win tomorrow and we lose. Then they're stuck playing the Bulls in the first round, can't avoid Miami in the 2nd round, and go into the playoffs having lost 5 of their last 10 games.

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  • Nilanka
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    Superjudge wrote: View Post
    I guess.

    I, a fan, just want to see them whoop ass every time out. there can only be one way.
    Sure, I can agree with that.

    But also as a fan, I acknowledge that some teams present better matchups than others.

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  • Niagara Raptor
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    id prefer to face to face the wizards but I don't like the idea of throwing a game to face them because then we are relying on others to make it work
    just win baby and we will beat down whoever we face ... it would be the righteous thing to do to send Brooklyn packing for tanking to face us ... whom do they got to stop the drunk Lithuanian ???

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  • Superjudge
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    I guess.

    I, a fan, just want to see them whoop ass every time out. there can only be one way.

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  • stooley
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    We're likely talking about 2 different things, Superjudge.

    What we, as fans, would want the Raptors to do vs. what the Raptors are actually likely to do.
    Ah, in this case, i agree one hundred percent.

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  • Nilanka
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    We're likely talking about 2 different things, Superjudge.

    What we, as fans, would want the Raptors to do vs. what the Raptors are actually likely to do.

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  • Superjudge
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    Who?


    Miami?


    Ok man, i can show you likely 10000 posts on this forum alone from guys bitching about how lame Miami is for stacking, complaining, whining etc. so now when its convenient, you're gonnna use them as a shining example of the proper way to make your legacy as an athlete.


    Thats for you, not me. I believe is honor and self respect.

    Toronto has a young team, full of guys who have never even seen the playoffs..... wasting time worrying about seeding and who they think they can beat is a major mistake. I doubt that this type of sentiment is being allowed in that locker room.

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  • Nilanka
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    Superjudge wrote: View Post
    Brutal.
    loser mindset.


    You go out tonight, and you blow the Knicks into next year by 40, and then you ride that slaughter into game one and destroy WHOEVER is across from you.

    All these mathematical charts are embarrassing to players if you ask me. I'd personally never admit that I fear a team, or prefer not to face them. The minute you do, they own you. and for teams losing to get at you...... well thats just more incentive to completely obliterate them.
    The 2-time champs have a loser mindset?

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  • Superjudge
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    Brutal.
    loser mindset.


    You go out tonight, and you blow the Knicks into next year by 40, and then you ride that slaughter into game one and destroy WHOEVER is across from you.

    All these mathematical charts are embarrassing to players if you ask me. I'd personally never admit that I fear a team, or prefer not to face them. The minute you do, they own you. and for teams losing to get at you...... well thats just more incentive to completely obliterate them.

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