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  • Fix for Tanking

    Me and my buddy were watching the Raps game talking about the BS of the Nets throwing their last game on purpose. And then that led into a discussion about how to fix real tanking (teams like PHI, etc) in the NBA.

    I think the only way that makes sense is to take a page out of the BPL's book and relegate teams.

    Take the bottom 3 teams in each conference and ship them down to the D-League. Teams 9-12 in each conference would be slotted into the lottery for the top 8 picks, and then the bottom 6 would receive picks 9-14 in order of record.

    This would completely remove the incentive to tank. Teams would lose a ton of revenue if their team was in danger of being sent down to the Developmental League, and this would urge owners and GMs to be as competitive as possible each year to avoid those bottom 6 spots.

    Just an idea, what do you guys think?

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    imanshumpert wrote: View Post
    Me and my buddy were watching the Raps game talking about the BS of the Nets throwing their last game on purpose. And then that led into a discussion about how to fix real tanking (teams like PHI, etc) in the NBA.

    I think the only way that makes sense is to take a page out of the BPL's book and relegate teams.

    Take the bottom 3 teams in each conference and ship them down to the D-League. Teams 9-12 in each conference would be slotted into the lottery for the top 8 picks, and then the bottom 6 would receive picks 9-14 in order of record.

    This would completely remove the incentive to tank. Teams would lose a ton of revenue if their team was in danger of being sent down to the Developmental League, and this would urge owners and GMs to be as competitive as possible each year to avoid those bottom 6 spots.

    Just an idea, what do you guys think?
    Force owners to refund fans all games that were obvious tanks.

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    • #3
      looool, with the amount of money involved, this is simply an impossible task.
      The best way is: to rank the teams that did not make the play off based on their wins and losses and the team with the best record will get the #1 pick and so on ...

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      • #4
        Here's how you eliminate "playoff position tanking":

        The top 4 teams get to pick, in order of their finish, from the bottom 4 teams. So, we'd have:

        Indiana picks one of (BRK ATL WAS CHA)
        Miami picks 2nd
        Raps 3
        Bulls 4 (i.e. no choice)

        Then just do the same for the conference semifinals.

        Fucking simple, get your shit together Silver.

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        • #5
          Jamshid wrote: View Post
          looool, with the amount of money involved, this is simply an impossible task.
          The best way is: to rank the teams that did not make the play off based on their wins and losses and the team with the best record will get the #1 pick and so on ...
          Except you're creating a chasm between good and bad teams. Bad teams don't get the help they need to improve.

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          • #6
            Jamshid wrote: View Post
            looool, with the amount of money involved, this is simply an impossible task.
            The best way is: to rank the teams that did not make the play off based on their wins and losses and the team with the best record will get the #1 pick and so on ...
            Nilanka wrote: View Post
            Except you're creating a chasm between good and bad teams. Bad teams don't get the help they need to improve.
            You're also encouraging the 8th place team to tank out of the playoffs. If you have the option of playing Miami in the first round as Atlanta, or get the #1 overall pick. No f*cking way you're winning those games.
            "Bruno?
            Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
            He's terrible."

            -Superjudge, 7/23

            Hope you're wrong.

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            • #7
              KHD wrote: View Post
              Here's how you eliminate "playoff position tanking":

              The top 4 teams get to pick, in order of their finish, from the bottom 4 teams. So, we'd have:

              Indiana picks one of (BRK ATL WAS CHA)
              Miami picks 2nd
              Raps 3
              Bulls 4 (i.e. no choice)

              Then just do the same for the conference semifinals.

              Fucking simple, get your shit together Silver.
              This is a really bad idea. Why would you ever allow a team to choose their opponent?

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              • #8
                Only one (Philly) out of 30 teams blatantly tanked this year. Tanking isn't actually as big a problem as everyone has made it out to be.

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                • #9
                  imanshumpert wrote: View Post
                  Me and my buddy were watching the Raps game talking about the BS of the Nets throwing their last game on purpose. And then that led into a discussion about how to fix real tanking (teams like PHI, etc) in the NBA.

                  I think the only way that makes sense is to take a page out of the BPL's book and relegate teams.

                  Take the bottom 3 teams in each conference and ship them down to the D-League. Teams 9-12 in each conference would be slotted into the lottery for the top 8 picks, and then the bottom 6 would receive picks 9-14 in order of record.

                  This would completely remove the incentive to tank. Teams would lose a ton of revenue if their team was in danger of being sent down to the Developmental League, and this would urge owners and GMs to be as competitive as possible each year to avoid those bottom 6 spots.

                  Just an idea, what do you guys think?

                  There isn't enough talent in the D-league for it to work. After a single cycle you would have alternating seasons with D-league teams in the NBA and NBA team in the D-league. It would be like a single season penalty for the legit NBA teams who finish bottom 3. It would kill ticket sales in those vulnerable markets. Basically the owners would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever approve it.
                  Welp, that sucked.

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                  • #10
                    I don't see a problem with real tanking like Philly did. They had to sacrifice a lot get where they are. Giving away good players for basically nothing, alienating your fan base for an entire season (if they're bad a few more years they may have zero fans), killing your ticket sales (only 68% attendance this year, 2nd worst in NBA).

                    There are serious costs to tanking. I don't think you add Wiggins to that team and all of a sudden it is good. More likely they end up like the Cavs struggling for the next 4 years so they can barely miss the playoffs yet again.

                    I think the deterrents are already in place, hence why you only saw Philly go full tank giving players away. Milwaukee wanted to be good, they just ended up sucking. Same with Detroit. Boston didn't do anything to replenish their lost players, but they also didn't give guys away just to get worse. Boston just accepted this would be a down year for them, which I don't consider tanking. If Raptors had taken this approach instead of reaching on FA's we wouldn't have been a joke for so long.

                    Bottom line, I don't think tanking is an issue that needs to be dealt with.

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                    • #11
                      Nilanka wrote: View Post
                      Except you're creating a chasm between good and bad teams. Bad teams don't get the help they need to improve.
                      I agree. We need to keep the lottery, but change the odds.

                      Right now, if you finish last, every ticket in the lottery is a winner.

                      You always win a top 4 pick.

                      Change it to a more random lottery: give every lottery team 14 down to 1 ball based on their position. Then spin the balls and draw for every pick. On average, worse teams will pick higher. And it is still possible that Philly's tank job would be rewarded with the 12th pick ( meanwhile with only one ball of 105, people who just miss the playoffs have only a tiny chance to pick high).

                      Imagine being that GM 'we lost 26 straight but got unlucky in the lottery so only picked 12th', 'and Phoenix fought all the way and picked 8th'. That makes tanking potentially very embarrassing, and possibly career killing. What GM would take that risk?

                      Right now they know they will always win the lottery: mix in some losing tickets and see what they do!

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                      • #12
                        The only way to fix tanking is have a fantasy draft on all the players and build every team from scratch. Just like in 2k or fantasy basketball.

                        That way, the league is more balanced, no super teams thereby more competitive.

                        Of course, this is not feasible unfortunately due to many reasons.

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                        • #13
                          Jamshid wrote: View Post
                          The best way is: to rank the teams that did not make the play off based on their wins and losses and the team with the best record will get the #1 pick and so on ...
                          Nilanka wrote: View Post
                          Except you're creating a chasm between good and bad teams. Bad teams don't get the help they need to improve.
                          I think Jamshid has the right idea. The goal is to promote teams trying to get into the playoffs. However you bring up a solid point about the bottom, they would never improve enough to get near the playoffs because they wont be getting the influx of talent. There is a way to have the best of both worlds

                          The top 4 picks of the draft go to the 9th and 10th seeded teams in each conference, sub-ranked within those 4 with the worst of those 4 teams taking number 1. This promotes teams to work hard to get at least to the 9/10 stage, and keep improving their team (however we may see 8th seed teams tank...only drawback of this)

                          The rest of the 10 teams are ranked according to record and given picks 5-14 through a lotto.

                          Basically the best thing for teams to do is try to just make the playoffs, which will make the bottom half of the league more exciting. Also mediocre teams who have winning programs but lack talent will teach talent better than the dredge teams. Will create a more balanced league with better distribution of talent.

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                          • #14
                            I like Bill Simmons idea the best.

                            http://grantland.com/features/fixing-the-nba-playoffs/

                            Top 7 teams in each conference make the playoffs. The final two seeds are determined by a single elimination tournament of the 16 worst teams ranked by the order of finishing the season (16th worst plays worst, 15th worst plays 2nd worst, etc).

                            The playoff teams than are ranked 1-16 and games are played across conferences.

                            The lottery format for draft picks are handled like this:

                            Worst Six Teams: 9 percent chance of winning
                            Worst Teams 7 through 12: 4 percent chance of winning
                            Worst Teams 13 through 16: 2 percent chance of winning
                            Top 14 teams: 1 percent chance of winning

                            Lottery is only for the top 4 picks. After that its based on standings. Every team gets an opportunity for landing in the top 4.

                            So no reason to tank. Can still make the playoffs even if you are the worst team in the league. And the bottom six teams each get the same opportunity to win the lottery. Also get a march madness style tournament plus good teams in the West get to play bad teams in the East in the first round (for example).

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                            • #15
                              OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
                              I think Jamshid has the right idea. The goal is to promote teams trying to get into the playoffs. However you bring up a solid point about the bottom, they would never improve enough to get near the playoffs because they wont be getting the influx of talent. There is a way to have the best of both worlds

                              The top 4 picks of the draft go to the 9th and 10th seeded teams in each conference, sub-ranked within those 4 with the worst of those 4 teams taking number 1. This promotes teams to work hard to get at least to the 9/10 stage, and keep improving their team (however we may see 8th seed teams tank...only drawback of this)

                              The rest of the 10 teams are ranked according to record and given picks 5-14 through a lotto.

                              Basically the best thing for teams to do is try to just make the playoffs, which will make the bottom half of the league more exciting. Also mediocre teams who have winning programs but lack talent will teach talent better than the dredge teams. Will create a more balanced league with better distribution of talent.
                              Well then it's not exactly fixing tanking, is it?

                              As ugly as it is, tanking is a legit strategy.
                              A key that opens many locks is a master key, but a lock that gets open by many keys is just a shitty lock

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