Questions and Answers.

[DanH]

Disagree. Question was about bird rights and if they are affected by "opting out". My post makes it pretty clear the only ways for bird rights to be lost is by renouncing them or player signs with new team.

Yeah but you don't always have Bird Rights, you have to earn them.

[Axel]

This is true but I don't think that's what he was asking.

Disagree. Question was about bird rights and if they are affected by "opting out". My post makes it pretty clear the only ways for bird rights to be lost is by renouncing them or player signs with new team.

[DanH]

Once Bird rights are established, they don't go away unless the player is renounced or signs with another NBA team. This means teams retain Bird rights to many players who have long since retired, and could still use those Bird rights to re-sign such a player if that player attempts a comeback (but not for a sign-and-trade transaction).

This is true but I don't think that's what he was asking.

[DanH]

If a guy like Thaddeus Young or Arron Afflalo opt out of their final year does a team still have bird rights or is that person completely unrestricted. Just day dreaming about the off-season and wondered

i.e could a guy opt out but still be signed and traded

First, Bird Rights have nothing to do with being restricted or unrestricted. A player can be restricted and have Bird Rights or not have Bird Rights. And a player can be unrestricted and have Bird Rights or not have Bird Rights.

As for whether a player can opt out and still have Bird Rights - it depends. If they have not changed teams via free agency for 3 years, they would have their Bird Rights (it's a little more complicated than that but that's the idea). So, for example, if a player signed with a new team for a 4 year deal with the final year being a player option, if they opt out they still have Bird Rights. If the player signs with a new team for a three year deal with the third year a player option, then if they opt out they would not have Bird Rights (since they changed teams in free agency only two years ago), while if they opted in, they would have Bird Rights the following summer.

[Axel]

If a guy like Thaddeus Young or Arron Afflalo opt out of their final year does a team still have bird rights or is that person completely unrestricted. Just day dreaming about the off-season and wondered

i.e could a guy opt out but still be signed and traded

Once Bird rights are established, they don't go away unless the player is renounced or signs with another NBA team. This means teams retain Bird rights to many players who have long since retired, and could still use those Bird rights to re-sign such a player if that player attempts a comeback (but not for a sign-and-trade transaction).

[rocwell]

Are we alone in the universe?

no

[S.R.]

Are we alone in the universe?

[thead]

If a guy like Thaddeus Young or Arron Afflalo opt out of their final year does a team still have bird rights or is that person completely unrestricted. Just day dreaming about the off-season and wondered

i.e could a guy opt out but still be signed and traded

[Bonus Jonas]

How much does a first rounder account for in a trade?

And does it change if it's set what number the pick will be?

Nevermind just looked it up

[Bonus Jonas]

How much does a first rounder account for in a trade?

And does it change if it's set what number the pick will be?

[DanH]

So if Masai decides he doesn't want Lou back, he can waive him and POOF cap appears?

Waive his rights, but yes.

[007]

So if Masai decides he doesn't want Lou back, he can waive him and POOF cap appears?

[DanH]

How much cap space will we have at the start of the offseason?

Technically none. Since we will have loads of cap holds for our free agents.

But we can waive all our rights and have about 16M in cap space, depending on the exact figure for the cap.

[007]

How much cap space will we have at the start of the offseason?

[DanH]

I'd take Wiggans if he sulked his way out of his current situation to come to Toronto.

Thats a special case, a matter of national security!!!!

Sure, but I don't think he has it in him.