If you could pick any PF to pair with Jonas...

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Hearing Kevin Love is available...agent more or less demanded a trade.

John Salmons, Chuck Hayes, Terrence Ross, 2014 1st round pick, 2016 1st round pick, 3 second round picks get it done?

[BobLoblaw]

Hearing Kevin Love is available...agent more or less demanded a trade.

John Salmons, Chuck Hayes, Terrence Ross, 2014 1st round pick, 2016 1st round pick, 3 second round picks get it done?

Unimpressive when you compare to what teams got for Melo, Deron, Dwight.

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Unimpressive when you compare to what teams got for Melo, Deron, Dwight.

trade demands have a way of lowering your value.

[BobLoblaw]

trade demands have a way of lowering your value.

Hello, Melo, Dwight, Deron. Deron didn't get to a point where he openly demanded a trade, it was a preemptive strike. The other two did demand a trade and made a mess out of it. Melo even pushed for a trade to one specific city. Can you imagine how much that lowers someone's value? Much more than the Love situation.

That's why Masai is so respected for that trade. It wasn't just getting value for Melo, it was getting value under those circumstances. The current Love situation is a piece of cake compared to that. His "people" might've asked for a trade? It may be LA, or New York, or maybe some other place, no specific list? Ujiri would've loved to work under those circumstances with the Carmelo trade.

[Scraptor]

Hello, Melo, Dwight, Deron. Deron didn't get to a point where he openly demanded a trade, it was a preemptive strike. The other two did demand a trade and made a mess out of it. Melo even pushed for a trade to one specific city. Can you imagine how much that lowers someone's value? Much more than the Love situation.

That's why Masai is so respected for that trade. It wasn't just getting value for Melo, it was getting value under those circumstances. The current Love situation is a piece of cake compared to that. His "people" might've asked for a trade? It may be LA, or New York, or maybe some other place, no specific list? Ujiri would've loved to work under those circumstances with the Carmelo trade.

That's also why Dolan is so disrespected for that trade. His FO didn't want to pay through the nose when everyone knew Melo was going there anywhere. Dolan was a huge factor in what Masai netted for Denver for Melo.

It was mainly shrewd scouting by Hennigan that turned the Howard deal into a plus; a lot of Magic fans were pissed initially. At the time Vucevic/Harkless/Afflalo didn't seem like much.

The real problem with getting Love is that so many other teams seem to be super-interested... there will be a real bidding war if Love gives a promise to re-sign.

[BobLoblaw]

That's also why Dolan is so disrespected for that trade. His FO didn't want to pay through the nose when everyone knew Melo was going there anywhere. Dolan was a huge factor in what Masai netted for Denver for Melo.

It was mainly shrewd scouting by Hennigan that turned the Howard deal into a plus; a lot of Magic fans were pissed initially. At the time Vucevic/Harkless/Afflalo didn't seem like much.

The real problem with getting Love is that so many other teams seem to be super-interested... there will be a real bidding war if Love gives a promise to re-sign.

That's why looking at these trades matters. It gives some idea of what to expect as far as interest and bidding. Brooklyn got involved in a seemingly hopeless Melo case and helped raise the price. This time it might not be Brooklyn, but someone will show up and raise the price. It always happens. It's a superstar.

Re Orlando trade. 3 1sts + 2 mid 1st prospects + Afflalo + some 2nds. If that pissed off Orlando fans, how will the Wolves fans feel when they see 2 late 1sts and Terrence Ross and some 2nds?

Ignore the fact that some of Orlando's players overperformed. And ignore the fact that Dwight, Bynum, Iggy all left their teams by now, which is the main reason why that trade is valued so differently now.
Even ignoring all that, 3 1sts + 2 prospects + a young starting veteran (Afflalo) is way more value than every Love trade idea I see.

If the NBA was 2 teams, Wolves and Raptors, I could see Love being pretty cheap. A couple picks and Ross, that's probably better than keeping Love for a year with minimal chance of re-signing him. But in a 30 teams league I suspect he will cost more.

[TSF]

That's why looking at these trades matters. It gives some idea of what to expect as far as interest and bidding. Brooklyn got involved in a seemingly hopeless Melo case and helped raise the price. This time it might not be Brooklyn, but someone will show up and raise the price. It always happens. It's a superstar.

Re Orlando trade. 3 1sts + 2 mid 1st prospects + Afflalo + some 2nds. If that pissed off Orlando fans, how will the Wolves fans feel when they see 2 late 1sts and Terrence Ross and some 2nds?

Ignore the fact that some of Orlando's players overperformed. And ignore the fact that Dwight, Bynum, Iggy all left their teams by now, which is the main reason why that trade is valued so differently now.
Even ignoring all that, 3 1sts + 2 prospects + a young starting veteran (Afflalo) is way more value than every Love trade idea I see.

If the NBA was 2 teams, Wolves and Raptors, I could see Love being pretty cheap. A couple picks and Ross, that's probably better than keeping Love for a year with minimal chance of re-signing him. But in a 30 teams league I suspect he will cost more.

I hope Ujiri makes an enticing but not really the best they can get offer for Love and makes some other team sell the farm to get him. Screw everyone else.

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I hope Ujiri makes an enticing but not really the best they can get offer for Love and makes some other team sell the farm to get him. Screw everyone else.

We should be involved just to raise the price and watch someone (hopefully in the East) completely screw themselves over.

[e_wheazhy_]

If the NBA was 2 teams, Wolves and Raptors, I could see Love being pretty cheap. A couple picks and Ross, that's probably better than keeping Love for a year with minimal chance of re-signing him. But in a 30 teams league I suspect he will cost more.

If the NBA was two teams we wouldn't need Kevin Love. Both lineups would be stacked, and k love would most likely be a 3rd string PF, 6th man at best.

Raps:
Chris Paul
Paul George
Kevin Durant
Lebron James
Dwight Howard

Blake Griffin
Damian Lillard
Tim Duncan
Stephen Curry
Paul millsap
John Wall
Joakim Noah
D Wade

Minny:
Kyrie Irving
James Harden
Andre Igoudala
Lamarcus Aldridge
Al Jefferson

Tony Parker
Kevin Love
Russell Westbrook
Serge Ibaka
Carmelo Anthony
Derrick Rose
Dirk Nowitzki
Kobe

[BobLoblaw]

If the NBA was two teams we wouldn't need Kevin Love. Both lineups would be stacked, and k love would most likely be a 3rd string PF, 6th man at best.

Raps:
Chris Paul
Paul George
Kevin Durant
Lebron James
Dwight Howard

Blake Griffin
Damian Lillard
Tim Duncan
Stephen Curry
Paul millsap
John Wall
Joakim Noah
D Wade

Minny:
Kyrie Irving
James Harden
Andre Igoudala
Lamarcus Aldridge
Al Jefferson

Tony Parker
Kevin Love
Russell Westbrook
Serge Ibaka
Carmelo Anthony
Derrick Rose
Dirk Nowitzki
Kobe

Good point, haha.

[007]

I like how it's just Kobe.

[TSF]

I like how it's just Kobe.

He got named just right to be remembered. Short name that is better than a nickname? Check. No famous performer has something close ala MJ? Check. Odd enough that it sticks in everyone's head? Check. A name which travels well internationally (there is a city called Kobe in Japan)? Check.

It's so perfect a name I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually born Robert Zimmerman and just picked the perfect name himself

[e_wheazhy_]

I like how it's just Kobe.

It almost feels weird and unnecessary to write out the full thing.

For exactly the same reasons TSF pointed out; everyone and their mother knows Kobe without having to say his last name.

[OptimalOptimist]

I want no part of trading assets for a soon to be free agent going to the Lakers.

[Nilanka]

For me, it's anyone who can demand a double-team in the post, and who is a strong rebounder. E.g Love, Bosh, Griffin, Randolph, etc.

I don't think someone like Ibaka is a good fit. Solid player, but the offense would continue to be wing-heavy.