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  • MACK11
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    DogeLover1234 wrote: View Post
    Exactly, all the examples presented were players who had veteran leaders and got pt. currently, i have no idea why bebe gets no pt when we have one center currently who is useless on offense. Scola just should not get over 30 minutes given his age and the stage of the season. Bebe really would not hurt playing the last 3 minutes of the 1 and 3 quarters at least.
    The playing time for our more productive players is not looking good so far. Caroll keeps playing a lot of minutes on a bad foot. Lowry has somehow played even more minutes than last year.

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  • DogeLover1234
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    OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    The point of the article was that young players do need actual game time to develop into a high level player. Something a few of us here have been saying PT** needs to happen with Bruno and Bebe but have been met with resistance.

    There you have it, one of the greatest coaches of all time has a similar philosophy to a few here on RR.

    **please note that im talking about meaningfull PT (second and third quarters) playing with starters where they can learn off ball and defense skills. Garbage minutes are useless.
    Exactly, all the examples presented were players who had veteran leaders and got pt. currently, i have no idea why bebe gets no pt when we have one center currently who is useless on offense. Scola just should not get over 30 minutes given his age and the stage of the season. Bebe really would not hurt playing the last 3 minutes of the 1 and 3 quarters at least.

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  • SkywalkerAC
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    OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    The point of the article was that young players do need actual game time to develop into a high level player. Something a few of us here have been saying PT** needs to happen with Bruno and Bebe but have been met with resistance.

    There you have it, one of the greatest coaches of all time has a similar philosophy to a few here on RR.

    **please note that im talking about meaningfull PT (second and third quarters) playing with starters where they can learn off ball and defense skills. Garbage minutes are useless.
    What about D-league minutes?

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  • OldSkoolCool
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    The point of the article was that young players do need actual game time to develop into a high level player. Something a few of us here have been saying PT** needs to happen with Bruno and Bebe but have been met with resistance.

    There you have it, one of the greatest coaches of all time has a similar philosophy to a few here on RR.

    **please note that im talking about meaningfull PT (second and third quarters) playing with starters where they can learn off ball and defense skills. Garbage minutes are useless.

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  • golden
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    octothorp wrote: View Post
    There was a great article on ESPN yesterday about Garnett's personality as a leader, and his mentorship of Towns.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14...-kevin-garnett
    One of the differences between Philly and Minny is that the T-Wolves were never pro-actively trying to lose year after year. They were initially trying to build around Love, Rubio & Pekovic, but that was just a terribly flawed core in so many ways. They added free agent veterans that could help them win games, like Mo Williams and Kevin Martin. Even Pekovic was a 20+ PER guy. Eventually, they were forced into dealing Love and really wanted Klay Thompson and the stars aligned with: (a) Lebron going home, (b) Lebron wanting Love, (c) Cavs miraculously getting #1 pick. That trifecta just fell in their lap. They never really overtly tanked for Towns either - it was just a badly constructed roster full of one-way players created through poor GM'ing that made them suck naturally.

    My guess is that Hinkie doesn't want to add veteran players because they might accidentally help the Sixers win a few more games than they really want to. But if Hinkie was smart, he could sign veterans like Andrea Bargnani or Jarrett Jack. Those type of guys always seem to be on the worst possible teams.

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  • octothorp
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    The other reason it's important to have a couple of vets around, aside from the off-court stuff and professionalism that Nilanka mentioned, is that it ensures more consistency of set play. As is mentioned in the article, imagine having to reteach the offense and defense every year. Minnesota has been excelling despite Smitch stepping in at the eleventh hour partly because they do have some continuity with Rubio there, with Garnett starting the games to provide an anchor.
    There was a great article on ESPN yesterday about Garnett's personality as a leader, and his mentorship of Towns.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14...-kevin-garnett

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  • slaw
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    As I just posted in the Houston thread as an aside, throwing a bunch of young guys out there to "develop" never, ever works. You need to have at least a few quality professional players in the mix or else your guys don't learn how to be professionals. I saw a reference to Leonard above being thrown to the wolves but part of the reason that works is that Pop has Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, etc. to go to the kid and help him out, encourage him, teach him and get on him. That kind of stuff makes a huge difference in every single profession in the world.

    Hinkie's vision in Philly is flawed for a lot of reasons but one of the main reasons is that it completely ignores the human aspect of the game and how emotions, psychology, etc. play into success.

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  • Scraptor
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    Another quote from Brown after thanking Philly fans who are crowdfunding a relaxation package for him:

    "You know what I really want?" Brown said. "I want to know if they have any drills that can turn a bunch of 20-year-olds into 25-year-olds. If they have that, I'm all ears."
    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...xation-package

    The other reason it's important to have a couple of vets around, aside from the off-court stuff and professionalism that Nilanka mentioned, is that it ensures more consistency of set play. As is mentioned in the article, imagine having to reteach the offense and defense every year. Minnesota has been excelling despite Smitch stepping in at the eleventh hour partly because they do have some continuity with Rubio there, with Garnett starting the games to provide an anchor.

    KD went out of his way to thank his veteran teammates (like Kendrick Perkins and Nick Collison) when he won the MVP:
    Nick, you know, the first guy I met when I first got to Seattle as an 18 year old. You took me in. You believed in me from the beginning.
    It's one ancillary benefit of the Carroll deal: his hustle and grit will be rubbing off on the youngs for the next few years.

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  • Nilanka
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    raptors999 wrote: View Post
    Dont think veterans really help rookies and sophmore much. They need to deal with oth issues like conditioning and general skills before they can get anything from veterans. Demar looks like he picked things up from Lou to fine tune his game. Maybe Scola helps JV but Carrol would do nothing for Bruno. Sixers are trying to create NBA players from low picks and letting Guys like Okafor and Noel get enough reps to trade for big fish.
    Veterans help with the offcourt stuff. Pacing yourself for a long season, how to deal with the media, what to expect from certain referees, how to make your voice heard in the locker room, and just general professionalism.

    Oakley, Willis, Bogues, et al were instrumental in Carter's growth.

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  • S.R.
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    raptors999 wrote: View Post
    Dont think veterans really help rookies and sophmore much. They need to deal with oth issues like conditioning and general skills before they can get anything from veterans. Demar looks like he picked things up from Lou to fine tune his game. Maybe Scola helps JV but Carrol would do nothing for Bruno. Sixers are trying to create NBA players from low picks and letting Guys like Okafor and Noel get enough reps to trade for big fish.
    I don't know if it's visible on the court, but virtually every NBA player talks about the importance of locker room vets who mentored them as young players.

    It's all salary cap, though. Teams are filling out rosters with prospects on cheap deals instead of with vets who require the league minimum and push you over the cap.

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  • raptors999
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    Dont think veterans really help rookies and sophmore much. They need to deal with oth issues like conditioning and general skills before they can get anything from veterans. Demar looks like he picked things up from Lou to fine tune his game. Maybe Scola helps JV but Carrol would do nothing for Bruno. Sixers are trying to create NBA players from low picks and letting Guys like Okafor and Noel get enough reps to trade for big fish.

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  • Bendit
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    It must also be very demoralizing for the young first round draftee coming in from what is probably a championship quality program in college (and their career before) and go thru the constant losing and put downs.....game after game....season after season.

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  • DogeLover1234
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    I heard an interesting take earlier in the summer (i believe from Amin El Hassan, who worked in the Phoenix front office), that the 6ers strategy won't work because there are no veteran players to teach the young guys. I think Orlando is experiencing this now, where they have more talent than most teams, but they cant put it all together, especially in the fourth quarter, and cant win games because of that. The example for developing young guys to win was Utah. Hayward, Burkes and Favors all we able to learn some from Milsap and Jefferson before they left, which helped teach professionalism and how to win. This is one thing that everyone said about both Cojo and Carroll when they came here, they were total professionals, which leads to success. This is what I have always thought Masai has been shooting for recently.

    Still, a player can only get so far when they don't get any pt.

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  • Scraptor
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    Interesting update to how things are going in Philly: how do you keep endless losing from demoralizing young players?

    "The game is long, and when the game starts getting down, can I keep their spirits up? It's not fatigue, because they are in great shape, but, emotionally, we get beaten down," Brown said. "It's hard. I think that once we can forget the clock and the time and the score and just play . . . I told them, 'Look around and enjoy each other's company. And you find a level of love for the game. And forget everything else, then we can move forward. Come out and bang out a great day. They will all add up. Trust that. They will all add up. I've seen it. That much I can promise. It will all start adding up.' Those things matter.

    "I bleed for them, I bleed with them. I am responsible for keeping this group together, to helping these young guys get through this.
    http://articles.philly.com/2015-11-1...-losing-streak



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    And on the exact opposite side of the coin: how do you develop young players in a team built for contention? This interview with the Spurs shooting and development coaches is regarding Kawhi Leonard's growth:

    But it also goes to, from the very beginning, Pop threw him into the fire and gave him all the opportunity in the world to get experience and learn, and all the room to grow through the mistakes.
    http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...ad-forcier-qa/

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  • Scraptor
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    Big_Chris667 wrote: View Post
    Noel is going go to almost 2 years without playing a game. He was cleared to play back in January. I think what they are doing with him will stunt his development. There is no balance at all. You need to be apply what you've learned before soaking in more.
    No, he wasn't. He was cleared for limited basketball activities. He still hadn't participated in 5 on 5 practice in mid-March, and although he wanted to come back for April, he wasn't ready.
    “No funny business. It was a goal of mine to be able to come back and be cleared to play by the Sixers by then (4-4-14) but I was not and that’s that.”
    -Nerlens Noel, April 8, 2014
    Keep him out the last couple of weeks is not a big deal at all given that he hadn't gone through training camp or preseason games.

    I don't think it's going to backfire. I think the kid is going to be an elite rim protector. And as Brown said, Noel is a 3-5 year project.

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