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Yes we knew bruno would be in the d league this year. Im more upset about wright and bebe right now. We didnt see much of wright in the preseason or even in blowout wins. Heres the thing, he can play. both he and powell could easily get playing time, especially with our already weak bench play.
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The other reason it's important to get a good look at the young players is so you can make the most informed decision possible when it comes to picking up their deal after a few years. If this isn't the year that Bruno gets minutes, next year is essentially his rookie season, and it won't be a heavy playing time one like lotto picks get. So his 4th year might be the first year we see him as an essential part of the rotation. That makes him a wildcard in terms of valuation. Not to mention that his value as a trade chip is similarly reduced.
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golden wrote: View PostThe Spurs would never start an 19-yr old international rookie at PG (Parker) with Duncan & Robinson, the Lakers would never start a 19-yr old at C (Bynum) on a team with Kobe in his prime, the Celtics would never start a 21-yr old PG with no jump-shot (or FT) with KG, Pierce & Ray-Ray looking for rings. Nope. Ain't gonna happen.
Oh wait....
Tony Parker, Andrew Bynum, Rajon Rondo.....those guys CAN ALL PLAY.
Is it really that hard to understand? JV got regular playing time during his rookie season, same w/ Ross. Why? because they can play. They can help the team.
Bruno is NOWHERE near ready to play in the NBA man. Nowhere near ready. His buddy Bebe MIGHT be, but where would you play him? he's not a better player than Biyombo. No way.
A lot of posters here are obsessed w/ these 2 Brazilian kids. I don't get it lol.
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TRex wrote: View PostBingo.
Also, the funny thing about this whole convo about the "young guys" not getting any PT or Casey hates young players is. JV is 23 years old. Biyombo 23 years old. Ross is 24 years old. They're still pretty young.
Those guys got regular playing time since their first year in the NBA because THEY CAN PLAY.
Bruno and Noguiera aren't ready for this. Noguiera probably would get some playing time if he was on a tanking team like the Sixers. Not sure about Bruno though.
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SkywalkerAC wrote: View PostPowell has got some minutes, as will the others at some point, and d-league pro experience doesn't hurt either. Winning programs don't force-feed prospects.
Oh wait....
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I'd like to know what you guys consider "winning programs". Warriors? Grizzlies maybe? Their rookies last year (James Michael McAdoo and Jordan Adams) each played more minutes than both Caboclo and Bebe combined. OKC's third string rookie PG Cameron Payne (through just 16 team games) has already surpassed Caboclo and Bebe in career minutes played.
No one's asking them to play 25+ minutes a night (right?? lol) but two young guys with only 52 combined minutes in 2 seasons? That's terrible.
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SkywalkerAC wrote: View PostPowell has got some minutes, as will the others at some point, and d-league pro experience doesn't hurt either. Winning programs don't force-feed prospects.
Also, the funny thing about this whole convo about the "young guys" not getting any PT or Casey hates young players is. JV is 23 years old. Biyombo 23 years old. Ross is 24 years old. They're still pretty young.
Those guys got regular playing time since their first year in the NBA because THEY CAN PLAY.
Bruno and Noguiera aren't ready for this. Noguiera probably would get some playing time if he was on a tanking team like the Sixers. Not sure about Bruno though.
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OldSkoolCool wrote: View PostHe played 358 minutes in 33 games, hardly what I would call "didn't play at all"
Oh and he looks fantastic this year so far because he has been able to apply his mistakes to his training regime in the offseason
Seriously if we Ujiri wants to be a team that builds through the draft (to be sustainable), we need to work at getting our young guys meaningful PT
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Uncle_Si wrote: View PostSpurs have veteran players with basically the same system they've used for years. Kyle Anderson played a ton of dleague minutes last year in the same system and is now slowly being brought along with the big club.
Kyle Anderson didn't play at all last year.
Oh and he looks fantastic this year so far because he has been able to apply his mistakes to his training regime in the offseason
Seriously if we Ujiri wants to be a team that builds through the draft (to be sustainable), we need to work at getting our young guys meaningful PT
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Uncle_Si wrote: View PostSpurs have veteran players with basically the same system they've used for years. Kyle Anderson played a ton of dleague minutes last year in the same system and is now slowly being brought along with the big club.
Kyle Anderson didn't play at all last year.
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Scraptor wrote: View PostD-league minutes are good to keep in game shape and stay fresh, but the NBA is another beast entirely. You don't learn from easy situations, you learn from adversity. In fact you learn better from mistakes than anything else.
The game isn't going to slow down for Bruno, Bebe, Powell, or Wright until they get used to NBA situations. It's fine to stash them for a while, but with Jonas down, there's really no excuse for Bebe not to be getting minutes.
And as OldSkool mentioned, it needs to be meaningful minutes. It's why we've been pounding the table (rock?) on getting Jonas fourth quarter minutes. Byron Scott has been taken to task about not playing D'Angelo Russell in the fourth quarter--even in blowouts. Russell has been pretty good about it, but he did mention this:
The problem with our young guys is we keep pushing their curve back by not playing them. You have to take your medicine at some point. We had the luxury to try this the last couple years when the east was terrible. Now the east is good, it's trickier to do, but you still have to find creative ways to do it. If Pop can get Kyle freaking Anderson 140 minutes this season already, we can do more for our young guys.
Kyle Anderson didn't play at all last year.
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SkywalkerAC wrote: View PostWhat about D-league minutes?
The game isn't going to slow down for Bruno, Bebe, Powell, or Wright until they get used to NBA situations. It's fine to stash them for a while, but with Jonas down, there's really no excuse for Bebe not to be getting minutes.
And as OldSkool mentioned, it needs to be meaningful minutes. It's why we've been pounding the table (rock?) on getting Jonas fourth quarter minutes. Byron Scott has been taken to task about not playing D'Angelo Russell in the fourth quarter--even in blowouts. Russell has been pretty good about it, but he did mention this:
“That would be great,” Russell told Los Angeles News Group. “You’re only a rookie once. You get reps now and mess up now. So then next year when you’re not a rookie, you don’t have to worry about making rookie mistakes.”
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MACK11 wrote: View PostThe playing time for our more productive players is not looking good so far. Caroll keeps playing a lot of minutes on a bad foot. Lowry has somehow played even more minutes than last year.
Rolling with a 7-man rotation, which is basically what happened last night, isn't going to be sustainable for 6 weeks.
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Jahil Okafor just knocked some guy out in Boston for saying the 76ers suck... Looks like the losing mentality is getting to him.
Hes probably lost more games in the last 4 weeks then his entire basketball life.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/11/26/jahlil...-boston-video/
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MACK11 wrote: View PostThe playing time for our more productive players is not looking good so far. Caroll keeps playing a lot of minutes on a bad foot. Lowry has somehow played even more minutes than last year.
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