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  • LJ2 wrote: View Post

    True, Kawhi may still not have signed, but we would still have had 2 of arguably the top 10-15 players in the league. The point I was trying to make is that there was an opportunity to get some top end talent and Masai didn't pull the trigger. I wonder what the offer was on both sides.
    I don't believe for a second that the Raptors ever had a real offer from OKC that they turned down, or didn't pull the trigger on. Most likely it was preliminary discussions, framework ideas, and OKC moved on to LAC when it was clear that even the Raptors' best possible offer (which would never have been offered) wouldn't compare to the haul LAC could offer - a haul which probably required OKC to be able to tell LAC that they were at least talking to the Raps.
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    • planetmars wrote: View Post

      Well we had Bosh (who was locked in long term at the time) and cap space. We ended up with Hedo like you said.. so the situation did happen before.. we just never landed the "star". I'm not saying it won't happen, but the situation you just described did and it didn't pan out. I believe in Masai.. and I believe in this city. Just hope the rest of the NBA does as well


      We got Hedo with the cap space we had ($9M) - we did not have enough cap space for a max player ($17.5M). Bosh was not locked in long term, he was in his final year before UFA, when he left to go to the Heat.
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      • Shredder wrote: View Post
        2021 should be interesting. Giannis, Kahwi, George and Lebron available? I'm sure there's more.
        Yeah, as things stand the summer of 2021 is going to be absolutely bananas when it comes to free agency. Here's the current list of notable names:

        Player Options:
        - LeBron James
        - Kawhi Leonard
        - Paul George
        - Jrue Holiday
        - Blake Griffin
        - Chris Paul (lol)

        UFAs
        - Giannis Antetokounmpo
        - Victor Oladipo
        - Bradley Beal
        - Rudy Gobert
        - C.J. McCollum
        - DeMar DeRozan (lol)
        - Mike Conley
        - Gordon Hayward
        - Andre Drummond
        The name's Bond, James Bond.

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        • A CJ, Giannis combo, while keeping our youth, sounds like an intriguing and yet totally plausible scenario.

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          • DanH wrote: View Post

            I don't believe for a second that the Raptors ever had a real offer from OKC that they turned down, or didn't pull the trigger on. Most likely it was preliminary discussions, framework ideas, and OKC moved on to LAC when it was clear that even the Raptors' best possible offer (which would never have been offered) wouldn't compare to the haul LAC could offer - a haul which probably required OKC to be able to tell LAC that they were at least talking to the Raps.
            I agree. OKC probably saw an opportunity to pit two teams fighting for the same free agent against each other, to increase their return for George. Well done on their part.

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            • Funny thing is, if Westbrook was a free agent we may actually have had a really good chance to acquire him. In his mind he's as good as Kawhi and probably see's the Raptors as a team he could join to be instant contenders after we won it all last year.

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              • 4 years it too long to commit to a 30 year old point guard that relies on athleticism. 47M in the last year is gross!

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                • It is gross, but there would be a couple years of contention prior to that. If you want your team to be synonymous with winning championships then money isn't something you think twice about. I don't think he is going to decline for at least 2-3 more years so if you can get another chip within that time it is well worth it. We have a ways to go to catch up to the Lakers

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                  • Westbrook is already declining in a couple of years it won't be pretty
                    All man. All amazing.

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                    • LJ2 wrote: View Post
                      I wonder what was really on the table between OKC and Toronto. The more I think about it the more I have a hard time believing Masai turned down an offer to add both Westbrook and George. It's so difficult acquiring one star much less two. Love Siakam, but that move would have kept Kawhi in Toronto and Raptors would be looking at multiple championships.
                      Listening to the Fan590 on the drive home and doug smith was hinting that there may have been some interesting asks made by kawhis camp as the negotiations heated up.

                      He went on to say that they weren't basketball related and that it might have been to help some of the folks in Kawhis camp.

                      Smith also shared that his read of Masai after it was all done was that Masai felt he was being played and backed away from the request to trade the franchise for a player without knowing how long the deal was going to be for on Thursday.....

                      He finished up by saying that the Clippers might have been played.

                      Dietch chimes in that this is common practice in the AAU circuit .. that you have to take care of the guys who have the ear of the guy.

                      Something.. nothing.. .sour grapes... but it was an interesting speil from the guy who is closest to the teams fronto office.

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                      • saints91 wrote: View Post
                        If the heat end up getting him, that’s going to be one very intense team.
                        It will indeed.. but the Heat are hard capped... They have to move out 40M$ of actual player salaries off the roster.
                        Presti has more draft picks than he can use right now. He also has lost Harden and Durant and now George (but did he get a haul for PG.) and now he needs to get some players for his team... I think he asks for both of Winslow and Bam Bam or whatever his name is and he will have to take an expiring Dragic to make the money work....

                        The Heat .. well they will be intense... but with no supporting cast .. I can't see them much higher than 6.

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                        • Shredder wrote: View Post
                          2021 should be interesting. Giannis, Kahwi, George and Lebron available? I'm sure there's more.
                          Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Gordon Hayward, Mike Conley, DeMar, Bradley Beal, Drummond
                          -Develop Siakam into a consistant star and sign two from the 2 lists above.
                          Last edited by G__Deane; Wed Jul 10th, 2019, 09:17 PM.

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                          • G__Deane wrote: View Post

                            Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Gordon Hayward, Mike Conley, DeMar, Bradley Beal, Drummond
                            -Develop Siakam into a consistant star and sign two from the 2 lists above.
                            You’d put 36 year old Chris Paul on your list of potential signees? And DeMar ain’t coming back lol
                            The name's Bond, James Bond.

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                            • Top 5 in my view to pursue in 2021, all still 30 and under by then:

                              1. Giannis
                              2. Beal
                              3. Oladipo
                              4. CJ McCullum
                              5. Gobert

                              ==Glad to have doubted the doubters==

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                              • 007 wrote: View Post

                                You’d put 36 year old Chris Paul on your list of potential signees? And DeMar ain’t coming back lol
                                It's just a list of who's available. And CP is too old and has one of the top worst contracts in the NBA. And I don't want DeMar back thx

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