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LOL, that first tough team they faced were the eventual champs. It's one thing to say Lowry, DeMar, and Casey choked in the playoffs after losing year after year to teams that were worse than them, but the Bucks lost to the eventual champs that featured probably the best player in the NBA right now.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostLOL, that first tough team they faced were the eventual champs. It's one thing to say Lowry, DeMar, and Casey choked in the playoffs after losing year after year to teams that were worse than them, but the Bucks lost to the eventual champs that featured probably the best player in the NBA right now.Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostLOL, that first tough team they faced were the eventual champs. It's one thing to say Lowry, DeMar, and Casey choked in the playoffs after losing year after year to teams that were worse than them, but the Bucks lost to the eventual champs that featured probably the best player in the NBA right now.
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DanH wrote: View Post
Didn't Lowry, DeMar and Casey almost exclusively lose to LeBron, who made the finals every single year?
Also those losses to LeBron proves the point I was trying to make to anyone who thought Bucks losing to the Kawhi lead Raptors was a choke job. The East is clear of any other worldly superstars this year, so if they don't make it to the finals again then yes, there would be some base for calling them choke artists.
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Bucks are a good team, and no matter how you want to set expectations up as a fan, they are going to be the favourites to come out of the East.. just like they were last year. And they almost did it last year. They were an O/T away from being up 3-0 in the ECF.
Their road last year may have been "easy" but it will be easy again this year. Their first round opponent will be a 4-0 sweep. Their second round opponent will have flaws. Either a bunch of green rookies in Miami or a team with issues all year in Philly. Neither of which can win on the road. Then two teams in Boston and Toronto that don't have super stars but a bunch of guys that know how to play but are flawed in their own ways. Boston has a small front court. Toronto can't stay healthy and has a coach that will give a guy like McCaw 10-15 mpg.
Bledsoe is the only guy who consistently sh!ts the bed for them when the pressure is turned on. But Bud has smartened up on that and is using George Hill a lot more than he did last year. Their supporting role players are good. Brook makes their paint so hard to score on. Wes, Hill, the Italian guy, the guy who got jobbed in the dunk contest, Marvin, etc are all able to put up shots. And they can all defend.
If they lose it will be an upset, but that's also why we play the games.
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The Milwaukee playoff narrative has a lot to do with them losing to the Raps and Celtics in the first round, Bledsoe underperforming in the playoffs, and now Budenholzer who has had some really good teams but hasn't made a Finals. As we saw with Toronto, all it takes is one year and all of that will be forgotten.
Still, while the Bucks shouldn't fear anyone, both Boston or Toronto can definitely beat them if they are 100% healthy.
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Yea, the bucks are really good. Of their 9 losses this year here is their opponent's 3PT % in those games:
36.4% Miami
41.5% Celtics
41.7% Utah
39.0% Dallas
47.7% Philly
54.3% Spurs
47.8% Denver
33.3% Indy (Giannis didn't play)
48.6% Miami.
I really don't like them, but they are a good team. You have to shoot the ball really well to have a chance of beating them.
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
Perhaps you've erased what was the bad memory of losing to Brooklyn and Washington from your memory. Unfortunately, those happened as well.
Also those losses to LeBron proves the point I was trying to make to anyone who thought Bucks losing to the Kawhi lead Raptors was a choke job. The East is clear of any other worldly superstars this year, so if they don't make it to the finals again then yes, there would be some base for calling them choke artists.
The narrative about Casey, DeMar and (wrongly) Lowry was built on the three losses to LeBron, and you know it. Which is precisely why your logic falls apart. If the Bucks can't be labeled as chokers because they fell apart against an all-world talent like Kawhi, then DeRozan and Casey don't deserve the flack they got for continually falling short against LeBron. But we all know that DeMar and Casey fully deserved that flack. Things can be judged in-context. Falling apart is still falling apart, which is different than just getting outplayed while performing at your best.
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DanH wrote: View Post
The 2014-15 Raptors were not a good team. 2013-14 was a miracle run to make the playoffs for the first time.
The narrative about Casey, DeMar and (wrongly) Lowry was built on the three losses to LeBron, and you know it. Which is precisely why your logic falls apart. If the Bucks can't be labeled as chokers because they fell apart against an all-world talent like Kawhi, then DeRozan and Casey don't deserve the flack they got for continually falling short against LeBron. But we all know that DeMar and Casey fully deserved that flack. Things can be judged in-context. Falling apart is still falling apart, which is different than just getting outplayed while performing at your best.
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DanH wrote: View Post
The 2014-15 Raptors were not a good team. 2013-14 was a miracle run to make the playoffs for the first time.
The narrative about Casey, DeMar and (wrongly) Lowry was built on the three losses to LeBron, and you know it. Which is precisely why your logic falls apart. If the Bucks can't be labeled as chokers because they fell apart against an all-world talent like Kawhi, then DeRozan and Casey don't deserve the flack they got for continually falling short against LeBron. But we all know that DeMar and Casey fully deserved that flack. Things can be judged in-context. Falling apart is still falling apart, which is different than just getting outplayed while performing at your best.
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slaw wrote: View PostThe Milwaukee playoff narrative has a lot to do with them losing to the Raps and Celtics in the first round, Bledsoe underperforming in the playoffs, and now Budenholzer who has had some really good teams but hasn't made a Finals. As we saw with Toronto, all it takes is one year and all of that will be forgotten.
Still, while the Bucks shouldn't fear anyone, both Boston or Toronto can definitely beat them if they are 100% healthy.
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MixxAOR wrote: View PostBucks were number 1 seed and they were up 2-0. And essentialy swept the rest of the way. That's a choke job
If they don't get out of the East this year with no clear star other than Giannis himself then I think labeling them as chokers might be a bit more valid.
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