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  • JawsGT
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    S.R. wrote: View Post

    The playoffs is my only reason for not being as high on Denver this season as some are. They struggled against a couple of mediocre opponents as far as western conference playoff teams go. There are far tougher match ups than last season's Spurs and Blazers.
    Its a natural progression for young teams though. Outside of millsap, not alot of experience there amongst the core group. I'm certainly not going to claim their going to get over the hump, but shouldnt be a surprise that some of the guys on that club may need a few playoff runs before they figure it out.

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  • S.R.
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    c-troop wrote: View Post

    The fact D'Lo even got his Brooklyn nets team to the playoffs was miraculous in itself.

    That is the only debatable stat, but it honestly shouldn't even be mentioned.

    The Nets had nobody and played the 76ers in round 1. 76ers almost beat us, we got lucky.

    Denver was loaded and the Spurs took them to 7 and then they lost to Portland in Round 2.

    Tbh, I'd prefer to see Russell in Raps jersey over Murray anyways. The only reason I mentioned Murray was for the love of Canadiana.

    This forum is still jokes, let's sign Lowry for 41 million more and then go after Giannis. Gotta love RR.


    The playoffs is my only reason for not being as high on Denver this season as some are. They struggled against a couple of mediocre opponents as far as western conference playoff teams go. There are far tougher match ups than last season's Spurs and Blazers.

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  • c-troop
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Yep. And Russell was a total flop in the playoffs (85 ORTG). I mean that's really, really bad.

    Meanwhile, Murray was a playoff stud (115 ORTG) in the West. If Murray continues his growth and was in the East, he could be a fringe all-star like Russell.
    The fact D'Lo even got his Brooklyn nets team to the playoffs was miraculous in itself.

    That is the only debatable stat, but it honestly shouldn't even be mentioned.

    The Nets had nobody and played the 76ers in round 1. 76ers almost beat us, we got lucky.

    Denver was loaded and the Spurs took them to 7 and then they lost to Portland in Round 2.

    Tbh, I'd prefer to see Russell in Raps jersey over Murray anyways. The only reason I mentioned Murray was for the love of Canadiana.

    This forum is still jokes, let's sign Lowry for 41 million more and then go after Giannis. Gotta love RR.



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  • golden
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post

    D'Lo is not better than Jamal Murray. Your logic here is absolutely abysmal.
    Yep. And Russell was a total flop in the playoffs (85 ORTG). I mean that's really, really bad.

    Meanwhile, Murray was a playoff stud (115 ORTG) in the West. If Murray continues his growth and was in the East, he could be a fringe all-star like Russell.

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  • c-troop
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post

    D'Lo is not better than Jamal Murray. Your logic here is absolutely abysmal.
    Abysmal? D'Lo is an All-Star already and Murray is not. No argument. Murray has only played on one good team, also.

    The Warriors have zero post defence in a stacked Western Conference.

    Sorry, my fetal alcohol syndrome has ruined my ability to interpolate new ideas and understand logical organizational developments.



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  • Apollo
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    Masai is wise to see what he has. He added a lot of pieces and hopefully one or two of those will step up. If that happens there are many more options at the trade deadline.

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    c-troop wrote: View Post



    Well, the Warrior's reason for doing it is they don't have much of a defensive presence at the post besides Draymond and WCS and they are well aware of what our bigs could do for them already + Denver has Jokic, Portland has Whiteside, LA has Davis and Cousins, Utah has Gobert, Houston has Capella and they will potentially need a match up for those bigs next year to make it out of the West.

    D'Lo is GSW's trade chip, and Gasol and/or Ibaka could instantly make them a threat again if Klay can get healthy. Plus they get an expiring contract(s).

    If Denver hears that we are sending Gasol+ to the GSW they will most certainly not trade Jokic. They will feel pressure to get better in a hurry.
    (I read that post as sarcasm yet found it dismissive and unintelligent.)

    If Denver hears we are sending Gasol+ (and/or possible picks) to GSW for D'angelo, Denver might offer up Jamal to us for D'angelo and try to sell us on their Canadian star... because Denver will feel the pressure to get better and their contracts are very similar. They might even offer us picks if we show disinterest.

    and truthfully, it is obvious D'Lo is naturally the better point guard, Denver would be practically getting a free upgrade... D'Lo plays better defence, he gets more assists, more points ... he is a true 1/2, not a 2/1

    Yet the big draw for the Raptors would be having a Canadian star, which would be a great culture change for the Raps moving forward.

    and if we keep FVV it could be a nice line up with Murray at the 2.

    I see it as: Gasol* + future first to GSW for D'Lo > D'Lo to the nuggets for Jamal Murray > Jamal Murray to the Raps
    D'Lo is not better than Jamal Murray. Your logic here is absolutely abysmal.

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  • c-troop
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post

    Why on earth would Denver do this? Jamal Murray is locked up for the next 5 years including this one, is just 22 years old, is pretty much on par with D'Lo and he's not paid that much more than him when his extension starts.
    Maury wrote: View Post

    We should see if Denver will throw in that Jokic guy
    Well, the Warrior's reason for doing it is they don't have much of a defensive presence at the post besides Draymond and WCS and they are well aware of what our bigs could do for them already + Denver has Jokic, Portland has Whiteside, LA has Davis and Cousins, Utah has Gobert, Houston has Capella and they will potentially need a match up for those bigs next year to make it out of the West.

    D'Lo is GSW's trade chip, and Gasol and/or Ibaka could instantly make them a threat again if Klay can get healthy. Plus they get an expiring contract(s).

    If Denver hears that we are sending Gasol+ to the GSW they will most certainly not trade Jokic. They will feel pressure to get better in a hurry.
    (I read that post as sarcasm yet found it dismissive and unintelligent.)

    If Denver hears we are sending Gasol+ (and/or possible picks) to GSW for D'angelo, Denver might offer up Jamal to us for D'angelo and try to sell us on their Canadian star... because Denver will feel the pressure to get better and their contracts are very similar. They might even offer us picks if we show disinterest.

    and truthfully, it is obvious D'Lo is naturally the better point guard, Denver would be practically getting a free upgrade... D'Lo plays better defence, he gets more assists, more points ... he is a true 1/2, not a 2/1

    Yet the big draw for the Raptors would be having a Canadian star, which would be a great culture change for the Raps moving forward.

    and if we keep FVV it could be a nice line up with Murray at the 2.

    I see it as: Gasol* + future first to GSW for D'Lo > D'Lo to the nuggets for Jamal Murray > Jamal Murray to the Raps

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  • Maury
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post

    Why on earth would Denver do this? Jamal Murray is locked up for the next 5 years including this one, is just 22 years old, is pretty much on par with D'Lo and he's not paid that much more than him when his extension starts.
    We should see if Denver will throw in that Jokic guy

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    c-troop wrote: View Post

    OR we ship Gasol to GSW, get GSW to send D. Russell to the Nuggets, and see if we can scoop Jamal Murray after his Poison Pill kicks in.
    Why on earth would Denver do this? Jamal Murray is locked up for the next 5 years including this one, is just 22 years old, is pretty much on par with D'Lo and he's not paid that much more than him when his extension starts.

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  • c-troop
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    JawsGT wrote: View Post
    I think it would be more likely to move ibaka or gasol for russell than lowry. Either way, it will be predicated on klay looking like he'll return for the playoffs, so the warriors will have to know well in advance and be confidant klay will return, otherwise they likely stand pat with russell and pursue trades in the offseason.

    But that is the type of move i expect MU will be looking at. The team has options. If we approach the deadline in pretty good shape, then i imagine we'll be buyers looking to beef up the roster for a title defence. Someone like beal or russell might be targets in that scenario. If we aren't in good shape around the deadline, then we likely approach it as sellers, and try to move those vet expirings for picks and prospects. I know many think the return for those players will be greatly reduced at the deadline, but any contending team that needs another piece to sure up their roster may want to give something up if the chip looks wide open.
    OR we ship Gasol to GSW, get GSW to send D. Russell to the Nuggets, and see if we can scoop Jamal Murray after his Poison Pill kicks in.

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  • JawsGT
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    I think it would be more likely to move ibaka or gasol for russell than lowry. Either way, it will be predicated on klay looking like he'll return for the playoffs, so the warriors will have to know well in advance and be confidant klay will return, otherwise they likely stand pat with russell and pursue trades in the offseason.

    But that is the type of move i expect MU will be looking at. The team has options. If we approach the deadline in pretty good shape, then i imagine we'll be buyers looking to beef up the roster for a title defence. Someone like beal or russell might be targets in that scenario. If we aren't in good shape around the deadline, then we likely approach it as sellers, and try to move those vet expirings for picks and prospects. I know many think the return for those players will be greatly reduced at the deadline, but any contending team that needs another piece to sure up their roster may want to give something up if the chip looks wide open.

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  • planetmars
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    If the 2020 free agency class wasn't bad enough.. Draymond just signed a $100M extension to stay in GSW. DeMar and Kyle might be the best two possible options left.. which could mean they each get big contracts.

    If the Warriors want to have a smaller tax bill next year.. perhaps they wouldn't mind doing a D'Angelo/Kyle swap this deadline? We get the younger PG that is on a long term deal. They get arguably the better guard for this season's playoff run. He then becomes a free agent. Masai gives Lowry one more legit shot at a ring. Trading Lowry would be hard to do.. but that's the type of trade I'd be looking for. Ie, swapping Lowry for a PG of the future.

    We could even then bring back Lowry in 2020 if we wanted to. Would be pretty awesome to pull that off. It's not like we would need his Bird Right's to resign him. Just cap space.. which we'll have a lot of.

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    Unfortunately, looking around the league I don't see a lot of suitors who would both want Ibaka/Gasol for this season and have salary that ends in 2021 that they'd be willing to dump. Best I could see was Boston with Hayward and Miami with Olynyk/Waiters but the Heat basically can't trade any picks because the alternating years are all owed to OKC.

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  • DanH
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    TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post

    what do you think will happen
    Really hard to predict Masai. But I think maybe they enter the season as is, ride that championship wave for a bit, then find a home for one of the C's (who will both likely be chafing under limited minutes) in December when the trade market opens up, try to take in a draft pick for some bad salary (through 2020-21 only). Then they'll take a look at the deadline, and if they think they can make a deep run they keep going, while if they are falling out of home court they at least explore options for trading any other expirings left (Lowry, the other C, maybe even FVV). Though I suspect they'd find a worthwhile move for only one or maybe if they are lucky two of them at that point.

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