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  • #31
    ezz_bee wrote: View Post
    The problem with Johnson was that he couldn't shoot, BUT still liked to do it too much. Landry knows he can't shoot so he doesn't take bad shots.
    Exactly, and that guy had a bit of an ego issue, which is guy he went to Sacramento. He wanted to play a bigger role on offence whereas Casey was against that idea.

    Very talented player, but I think that team chemistry comes first. Then again, he might have matured since then. Just like Lowry did this past season, maybe James Johnson could as well.
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    • #32
      Taking all the issues into account- Just think of a "we really need two or three stops here boys" lineup of Lowry-Ross-Fields-Johnson-Johnson.
      @Boymusic66

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      • #33
        I hope casey plays fields more like at least 15 min per game and at least 70 games

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        • #34
          You want an offensive black hole on the floor for 15 minutes a game?

          Until Fields can shoot again, he needs to be brought on simply to cover someone who is dominating, or will dominate.
          The name's Bond, James Bond.

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          • #35
            webfeat wrote: View Post
            Trading Fields right now would be one of those "sell low" situations. The guy's trade value is as low as it's every been.

            Keep him over the summer and see if he can get some of his shooting form back. It's worth the risk.
            I agree. Not so much about the sell low idea, but Fields has been a solid citizen, and this past year has been all about how cohesive our group has been.

            He's only really hurting us with his contract.

            There have been no riffs or acts of unprofessionalism related to him, and he's even becoming a media personality by joining reality shows now.

            I think that if he's willing, we should take the time and effort to help him regain his shooting stroke to get back in to the regular rotation next year. He might not be a part of our future plans, but worst-case scenario is he becomes a cheerleader off the bench for one year, albeit a cheerleader who ain't gonna ruffle any feathers on a winning team. Best-case scenario is he ups his value, becomes part of the regular rotation again, and becomes a valuable rotation player for a playoff team or great trade fodder for the sharks waiting to pounce on the 2015 offseason.

            Fields might not be able to justify his contract, but IMO he's certainly justified his status as a professional NBA player. Those are more rare then they should be.

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            • #36
              I hope he's at least in the 10-man rotation. I'm gonna assume Masai will sign VC as Salmons replacement, which should be good as VC is still reliable on offense. Landry tho can play the 4 to like he did last year whenever the Raps play small ball: Lowry-Demar-Ross-Landry-Jonas/Amir, as Landry is also a very good rebounder.

              It sucks that he never got his rookie form and shot back, and that he's overpaid. It's not his fault. He would have been a Shane Battier. But this guy's a great pro, great locker room guy.

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              • #37
                It sucks, but we have the freedom to try to deal him away if another team will take him. We've carried him for 2-seasons already. I think that's enough.

                In #Masai I trust to make something useful out of him in a trade.

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                • #38
                  A second round pick would be a good return for him.

                  And maybe a lighter (4 million per?) 2 year deal.

                  A team that wants to free up capspace for LeBron and others in 2015 free angency can have Fields expire then, and we free up space for 2016 when our deal expires.

                  And we get a pick for hopefully a diamond in the rough, or as a trading asset.
                  The name's Bond, James Bond.

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                  • #39
                    to be honest, landry is an effective player if used wisely, it doesnt seem like his shooting form will be the same as before, but what makes him valuable is he's above average defender who can actually the wing pretty well, also an excellent rebounder, he does the little things to win, hope he can contribute next year with his expiring contract to make his trade value increase

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                    • #40
                      We're stuck with him at least until Trade Deadline. Might as well give him some burn and see if he can be effective.

                      In the small sample size of games he played, he played well. Didn't take stupid shots. He's active, defends well, and does intangible things it seems.

                      He's like AJ, but without the scoring touch. Would've loved to see him on the floor more this season.

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                      • #41
                        RaptorsFohEva wrote: View Post
                        You want an offensive black hole on the floor for 15 minutes a game?

                        Until Fields can shoot again, he needs to be brought on simply to cover someone who is dominating, or will dominate.
                        I don't think he is an offensive "black hole" I think that descriptor really only fits players how have or both of the following traits...

                        1) Someone who is a serial over dribbler, especially in one spot.

                        2) Someone how shoots everytime they touch the ball.

                        Fields isn't either of those guys. And again, being able to shot is only one of several skills needed for a good offense. Fields has those other skills. The main offensive knock against Fields is that guys can sag off of him which ruins the spacing of the offense. But Fields has skills that counteract that to a degree.

                        i) Moves well on offense. Yes poor spacing can cripple an offense, but BALL-WATCHING can be just as bad. Fields isn't a ball watcher, he moves well on the offensive end and keeps in motion. It's one thing to tell your players to ignore a player, and it's easy to do when they just stand around in one spot (like our whole team seemed to do last year in Nov. & Dec.). It's a lot harder to completely ignore a player that's in motion. Even if you know he's not a threat to shoot from anywhere outside the restricted area, doesn't mean he can't be a distraction for the defense, that other players can take advantage of.

                        ii) Good screener. The more you sag off Landry Fields, the more open the guy Landry screens for is going to be.

                        Again, shooting is terrible and willl probably remain that way, so he shouldn't shoot outside the restricted area. But I do think that he can be a net neutral offensive player, or have only a slightly negative impact on offense. I also think that he's defense makes up enough of that gap that it's worth given him consistent burn. UNLESS and until there are younger players to be developed. For instance if the raps draft a SF than the Rookie can get 10-20 minutes and Fields can get 10-15. But if no Rookie is picked (or is stashed in D-Leauge/overseas) Fields can be productive for up to 20 minutes a game. IMO.
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                        • #42
                          My memory tells me that every time Fields was on the floor this year he contributed, and at a higher level, than Salmons. His defense was superior, his rebounding, his passing, everything but his shooting. So what do the numbers look like?

                          Salmons - 5.2 pts.....36.3% FG%......REB 2.1.........Ast 1.9.....TOV 0.7 minutes 22.3
                          Fields__ - 2.3 pts......40.3% FG%......REB 2.0........Ast 0.7.....TOV 0.4 minutes 10.7

                          Well, ball don't lie I guess. Fewer points per minute, but better FG% (WTF, for a guy with zero shot). Twice as many rebounds per minute, slightly lower assist rate and slightly higher turnovers. I wonder how his assists and scoring would have fared with more than 30 second burns during Ft attempts or end of quarter scenarios.

                          The eye test says he was better defensively on his man than Salmons, and my recollection is that whenever he got minutes he produced. If his shot gets even a little bit better I would be happy to seem him get more playing time.

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                          • #43
                            Puffer wrote: View Post
                            My memory tells me that every time Fields was on the floor this year he contributed, and at a higher level, than Salmons. His defense was superior, his rebounding, his passing, everything but his shooting. So what do the numbers look like?

                            Salmons - 5.2 pts.....36.3% FG%......REB 2.1.........Ast 1.9.....TOV 0.7 minutes 22.3
                            Fields__ - 2.3 pts......40.3% FG%......REB 2.0........Ast 0.7.....TOV 0.4 minutes 10.7

                            Well, ball don't lie I guess. Fewer points per minute, but better FG% (WTF, for a guy with zero shot). Twice as many rebounds per minute, slightly lower assist rate and slightly higher turnovers. I wonder how his assists and scoring would have fared with more than 30 second burns during Ft attempts or end of quarter scenarios.

                            The eye test says he was better defensively on his man than Salmons, and my recollection is that whenever he got minutes he produced. If his shot gets even a little bit better I would be happy to seem him get more playing time.
                            I don't know what's worse...fields having similar numbers to salmons though playing less or that salmons actually played 22 minutes each game. Like wtf Casey
                            I'm back. I no longer worship joe johnson

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                            • #44
                              The fact that two guys who can't shoot got 33 minutes per game combined makes me even sicker. Get us some wings this off-season Masai!
                              @Boymusic66

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                              • #45
                                FG% is kinda deceptive for salmons because his 3P% is actually better than his FG%. but yeah, he was pretty crappy and way overpaid, but so's Fields.

                                I think Casey liked Salmons because he could trust him with certain things. certain veteran things lol. like, it can make it really hard for a team to play with a guy who's really good at some aspects and completely erratic in others, it can make it hard to focus and get in the groove.

                                i'm just hoping we have a better option than either of those two guys next year. they both suck
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