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  • Zak24gege
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    HogieTime wrote: View Post

    I don't really see him as a fit. His rebounding is great but I'd imagine we'd have to give up Ibaka or gasol and he's not worth that.
    I like his motor and rebounding but limited offensive game make usefulness questionable. Issue is what we would have to give up?

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  • HogieTime
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    I don't really see him as a fit. His rebounding is great but I'd imagine we'd have to give up Ibaka or gasol and he's not worth that.

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  • Quirk
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    chris wrote: View Post
    clint capela has attempted two 3's in his career. serge ibaka is shooting 40% from 3. i wonder which player the coaching staff thinks is a better fit?
    I'm totally OK to stand pat and stick with Ibaka.

    But Ibaka shoots three, but Capela's ORtg is 124 vs Ibaka's 109, OWS is 2.9 vs 1.1, OBPM is -0.9 vs -1.0, TS% is .626 vs .587, PPG is 13.9 on 9.9 shots vs 15.5 on 12.1 shots

    I just don't see an argument that Capela is a downgrade offensively by any measure.

    Raps are not just a three point shooting team, they are a team that values shots at the rim as well.

    In terms of production, WP48 is .270 vs .013, WS/40 is .187 vs .139
    Total impact, BPM 1.5 vs -0.2, VORP is 1.1 vs 0.5


    Ibaka is playing well this year, and I'm happy to have him stay, but it's clear Capela is an upgrade, who is playing better now and is 5 years younger.



    Last edited by Quirk; Mon Feb 3, 2020, 09:06 PM.

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  • slaw
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    I love Jrue Holiday, he is a winner. But I do tend to agree that he's not going to lift our offensive ceiling much. And I think that is a more pressing need than the amazing defense he offers.

    That said, there may not be any amazing offensive players available. Hell I doubt Holiday is even available.

    I do think Zach Lavine is reaching peak frustration and I think we could sneak in under the radar and grab him from that dumbass Bulls front office.
    See, if you could flip something like Powell, OG and a first for JRue that might entice NO but the salary doesn't work. I suspect that if JRue became available there would be a bidding war for him. He's a guy who for me is a little overrated and I don't know that he'd move the needle all that much for Toronto. Now, put him on Miami and he'd have a bigger impact.

    The Bulls traded Butler to restart the window and trading Lavine a few years later for picks having accomplished nothing would be a very tough sell to an already indifferent fanbase. Having said that, I think if you put Lavine on Toronto he'd be an entirely different guy. Just following the Bulls this season a little bit (I love following really bad sports teams) and he has tried to mix up and change his game but that offense they run is awful and he has no help, especially after all the injuries.

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  • bertarapsfan
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    slaw wrote: View Post

    Been waiting 5 years for Ainge to make the trade that is going to make Boston an unbeatable force in the East. Am still waiting. Won't hold my breath.
    Ainge waited to long to cash in his assets. There "stockpile of picks" are now mid-late to late 1st rounders. They did well trading back for tatum considering Fultz and Balls careers so far, but im still not sold on Tatum being a top 25 player. And brown is a nice 3rd/4th best player on a championship team but i think he gets over rated alot playing in boston
    If boston wanted Kawhi i think they could have got him. But tatum and Brown were made untouchable.

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  • MixxAOR
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    golden wrote: View Post

    But how big an upgrade is Jrue over Powell, though? Assuming this year's New Norm is the new norm. Offensively, it looks like a downgrade.
    Huge upgrade. Jrue is longtime starter. And he's the first guy on opposing teams scouting report. He's a sure thing. We are still hoping this is real Powell

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  • Dr Hannibal Lecter
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    The league is different than what it was back in the day..the big man has 2 be good 3pt shooter, Capella..mehhh..As for Ibaka and OG, ain't going no where..I love jrue holiday, but money dont add up..It would have 2 be norm and 5 other players..ie..mcaw, stanley, hollins,Miller, hernadez,plus 2 first rd picks..probably would have 2 be 3 team trade..OG ain't playing good offensively, but he will get better, u really think there gonna trade OG, they told san antonio.. no ..part of kawli deal and Jrue ain't Kawli..just saying.

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  • JawsGT
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    Jrue sounds like a good fit. I am mostly concerned with 3pt shooting, and jrue is shooting a surprising 35% which isnt bad. OG has come back down to earth a bit at 36.5% while serge is trending up at just shy of 40%. But then you would also have Boucher getting more minutes in place of serge and he shoots a paltry 29%. I'm not sure our defence would suffer at all with this trade. Jrue is an all defensive player, OG is also a damn good defender. Serge has been pretty good defending the paint and boucher brings great energy and is fearless. The defence might be a wash although OG can guard more positions then jrue. I dont know, I still kinda think its too much to give up, but I'm pretty high on OG even though he has kinda disappointed me a little this season. Now if you can get a reddick or favors in that deal it gets more appealing. But I think that throws the money out of whack and becomes too difficult to match.

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  • golden
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post

    There's other ways to look at offense. He would give this team a different dimension. He's big guard who can break down the defense and kick out to shooters but he can actually finish on the inside. No more FVV and Lowry getting blocked at the rim that we all love. Right now we have only two guys who can do that: Pascal and Powell. Plus with Pascal, Gasol. Those shooting percentage will climb and he'll make other guys more efficient as well.
    But how big an upgrade is Jrue over Powell, though? Assuming this year's New Norm is the new norm. Offensively, it looks like a downgrade.

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  • The Claw Reborn
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    slaw wrote: View Post

    Been waiting 5 years for Ainge to make the trade that is going to make Boston an unbeatable force in the East. Am still waiting. Won't hold my breath.
    Why not another 5 years....

    Tool
    Tool: (noun)

    1.) A guy with a hugely over-inflated ego, who in an attempt to get un-due attention for himself, will act like a jackass, because, in his deluded state, he will think it's going to make him look cool, or make others want to be like him. The person may even insincerely apologize later on, but only in an attempt to get more attention, or to excuse his blatantly intentional, and unrepentantly tool-ish behavior.

    2.) Someone whose ego FAR exceeds his talent, intelligence, and likeability. But, of course, he is clueless regarding that fact. He erroneously thinks he is THE MAN!

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  • slaw
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    chris wrote: View Post

    i hope they trade hayward for capela. gordo is brad stevens' favorite son and ainge coldly trading him after battling back from his gruesome injury has serious potential for internal strife, which would be fun.

    make it happen danny.
    Been waiting 5 years for Ainge to make the trade that is going to make Boston an unbeatable force in the East. Am still waiting. Won't hold my breath.

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  • S.R.
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    Meh, guys like Clint Capela end up overrated and overpaid and are one slip in athleticism away from being mediocre players (who are usually still overpaid) like Kenneth Faried or Deandre Jordan.

    I don't think Capela really moves the needle for a team like Boston at all (how much of an improvement is he over the Theis/Kanter duo?).

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  • JawsGT
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    I love Jrue Holiday, he is a winner. But I do tend to agree that he's not going to lift our offensive ceiling much. And I think that is a more pressing need than the amazing defense he offers.

    That said, there may not be any amazing offensive players available. Hell I doubt Holiday is even available.

    I do think Zach Lavine is reaching peak frustration and I think we could sneak in under the radar and grab him from that dumbass Bulls front office.
    Please no lavine. We do not need a volume scorer with no D. Lavine is basically derozan with some 3pt shooting. We could probably use a scorer, but not a guy that could highjack the offence and give back everything he gets on the other end.

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  • MixxAOR
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Only a 106 ORTG, with inconsistent 3-pt shooting. That's not good offense. Also... I saw Jrue brick 2 FTs in clutch time vs. the Rockets yesterday and got Lowry flashbacks, pre-Kawhi. We'd be getting him for the playoffs, so clutch-ness is important.
    There's other ways to look at offense. He would give this team a different dimension. He's big guard who can break down the defense and kick out to shooters but he can actually finish on the inside. No more FVV and Lowry getting blocked at the rim that we all love. Right now we have only two guys who can do that: Pascal and Powell. Plus with Pascal, Gasol. Those shooting percentage will climb and he'll make other guys more efficient as well.

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