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  • Just Is
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    special1 wrote: View Post
    What? He was injured when Augustine lit him up (I swear on more than one occasion)? Jarrett Jack.... Maybe.

    The point still stands.

    Lowry is overrated defensively. He gambles quite a bit and has trouble keeping other PGs in front of him.


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    He was playing injured for most of the second half and parts of the first. He only sat out games when he couldn't play with them.
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  • special1
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    Just Is wrote: View Post
    You mean when Lowry was playing injured? I mean, you did neglect to include that part. And happened WAY less than you're implying as those are really the only two that I could think of.
    What? He was injured when Augustine lit him up (I swear on more than one occasion)? Jarrett Jack.... Maybe.

    The point still stands.

    Lowry is overrated defensively. He gambles quite a bit and has trouble keeping other PGs in front of him.


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  • Just Is
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    special1 wrote: View Post
    Really DanH??

    D.J Augustine..... Jarrett Jack.......How many PGs (also backup PGs) lit us up last year???

    Ridiculous post. Lowry is overrated defensively. Ross guards his assignment on many occasions. Nice try though.


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    You mean when Lowry was playing injured? I mean, you did neglect to include that part. And happened WAY less than you're implying as those are really the only two that I could think of.

    And even taking that into account, Lowry's defensive numbers are still pretty damn good and, even relatively speaking, are better than Demar's. So while Lowry's defensive numbers did go down this year (and for a pretty damn good reason), comparing him to Demar is just...you can't support it with facts.
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  • special1
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Oh my goodness. "Lowry is no better defensively than DeMar."

    We've officially reached the point where reason is no longer required in this debate.
    Really DanH??

    D.J Augustine..... Jarrett Jack.......How many PGs (also backup PGs) lit us up last year???

    Ridiculous post. Lowry is overrated defensively. Ross guards his assignment on many occasions. Nice try though.


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  • planetmars
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    JWash wrote: View Post
    You just need to not pick up Bebe's team option and let Biyombo walk (or trade him if he picks up his PO). Not that complicated. It's no different than what we have to do if we let DD walk.
    Bebe's team option is for $1,921,320.. you will need to get rid of at least another $1.1M contract (like Wright or Bruno) on top of that (with Biyombo) if you want max space and if you want to move Lowry instead of DD.

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  • JWash
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    Snooch wrote: View Post
    Lowry as bad a defender as demar.....

    Smh



    And most sgs are 3+d
    but ours is nowhere near that and we should pay him 20+ million and pair him with a ball dominate number 1 option like kd...

    Time to take a break for a few hours cause the dd shit has found another home.

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    The point here was that most SGs are 3+D meaning they are less dynamic offensively and easier to defend... It's basically a matter of effort and IQ instead of being put on rollerblades by Kyrie Irving or CP3 or getting blown past by Westbrook or Wall.

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  • Snooch
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    Lowry as bad a defender as demar.....

    Smh



    And most sgs are 3+d but ours is nowhere near that and we should pay him 20+ million and pair him with a ball dominate number 1 option like kd...

    Time to take a break for a few hours cause the dd shit has found another home.

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  • JWash
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Oh my goodness. "Lowry is no better defensively than DeMar."

    We've officially reached the point where reason is no longer required in this debate.
    I just meant relative to the players he's being asked to guard. There are certain PGs that Lowry straight up cannot stay in front of. It's not a mirage that Ross was the one asked to guard Wall while Lowry was put on Beal.

    Like at the SG position the only guys who are going to give DD a lot of trouble are Harden, Klay, Wade and Jimmy Butler. While for Lowry there are tons of star PGs who he is just straight up outmatched by athletically.

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  • special1
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    Snooch wrote: View Post
    No one has said it is the only option, it is the most reasonable and the one with the best future return.

    Other options are possible, just bad

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    What return are you talking about?

    I thought the discussion was about letting Demar walk and using the cap space.....or Trading Lowry....or trading some role players for caps space/picks.

    Are you still arguing about trading Demar? Surely, you must see that it is very unlikely that we're going to trade him. Especially with the All-Star Game in 2016 in Toronto. Also, no one is going to give up much for a guy who can walk at the end of the year. Also, that team better be prepared to give him the MAX in order to convince him to stay.

    Sorry, but I think DD stays. What do you think?


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  • DanH
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    Oh my goodness. "Lowry is no better defensively than DeMar."

    We've officially reached the point where reason is no longer required in this debate.

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  • Snooch
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    special1 wrote: View Post
    Lol - Hilarious.

    "It is bs to find any reasoning to find logic in having DD and KD paired up"

    I guess this is the Snooch Republic now?




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    Im right.

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  • DanH
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    special1 wrote: View Post
    Cheaper better options...... Please elaborate. .

    Also, shouldn't we pursue these cheaper better options regardless if KD is coming or not?


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    Yes, absolutely!

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  • DanH
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    JWash wrote: View Post
    I'm not even suggesting that letting DD walk to sign KD is a bad idea.... it obviously isn't. What I have an issue with is you guys making it out to be the ONLY smart option when it clearly is not.

    You're saying it because you want DD gone, I get that. Some of you probably wouldn't want DD back even if Horford and KD went on TV right now and said "FUCK Toronto I'd never sign in that dump". So really I think at the end of the day this has become another DD debate and not really a discussion on how we can bring in KD.
    I'm saying it because I think it is true. I do really appreciate the accusation though.

    I believe IF the plan was to keep DD and get Durant then Masai has done a terrible job preparing the roster for such a plan. As such, since I do not believe Masai would do such a poor job, I do not believe that is the plan.

    I do indeed want DeMar gone. But believe it or not I'm not in kindergarten and am able to have that opinion and the opinion that DeMar is unlikely to be in any plans for Durant based on entirely different reasoning.

    It's getting pretty tiring being told what I think and why I think it.

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  • Snooch
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    raptors999 wrote: View Post
    The same could be said of Lowry. CoJo next to KD might be a better option to free cap space and maximize KD
    I agree. In an ideal world you draft a great player with nyk pick, trade lowry and filler, say byebye to dd and get kd and another high tier fa in 2017 or maybe even 2016

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  • JWash
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    raptors999 wrote: View Post
    The same could be said of Lowry. CoJo next to KD might be a better option to free cap space and maximize KD
    Bingo. People are only concerned with the 2 spot again because they want DD gone. But really Lowry is no better defensively than DeRozan is and that's actually a BIGGER concern. Most SGs are just 3+D guys, however when it comes to the playoffs a lot of teams have superstar/all-star caliber PGs that can really hurt you if not defended well (Exhibit A: John Wall last year).

    This would also solve the usage problem as CoJo could operate as a relatively lower usage PG and focus primarily on defense and just making smart decisions on offense. You'd have KD as the #1 guy and Jonas/DD as 2A and 2B. Bring in Ibaka the next year fits perfectly too giving you another shooter and versatile defender.

    People are saying DD definitely isn't part of the long-term plan, but we just brought in a guy who's almost a half-decade younger than Lowry on a cheap, long-term deal who could potentially be a starting caliber PG. How do we know the plan isn't to offload Lowry an move on with CoJo when Lowry hits the wrong side of 30 (3 months before 2016 FA).

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