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  • special1
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    raptors999 wrote: View Post
    There is also no reason to be paying 20M+ for scoring if KD is on a team. There would be cheaper better options
    Cheaper better options...... Please elaborate. .

    Also, shouldn't we pursue these cheaper better options regardless if KD is coming or not?


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  • Snooch
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    JWash wrote: View Post
    I'm not even suggesting that letting DD walk to sign KD is a bad idea.... it obviously isn't. What I have an issue with is you guys making it out to be the ONLY smart option when it clearly is not.

    You're saying it because you want DD gone, I get that. Some of you probably wouldn't want DD back even if Horford and KD went on TV right now and said "FUCK Toronto I'd never sign in that dump". So really I think at the end of the day this has become another DD debate and not really a discussion on how we can bring in KD.
    No one has said it is the only option, it is the most reasonable and the one with the best future return.

    Other options are possible, just bad

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  • raptors999
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    special1 wrote: View Post
    Lol - Hilarious.

    "It is bs to find any reasoning to find logic in having DD and KD paired up"

    I guess this is the Snooch Republic now?

    Isn't this a forum? Aren't we free to think for ourselves?


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    There is also no reason to be paying 20M+ for scoring if KD is on a team. There would be cheaper better options

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  • special1
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    Raptors Salary Cap Situation (and planning for the future)

    Snooch wrote: View Post
    Dd goes if you want kd, cause, as has been pointed out sooooo many times, there is no reason to pay dd money to play beside kd.

    It is bs to find any reasoning to find logic in having dd and kd paired up

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    Lol - Hilarious.

    "It is bs to find any reasoning to find logic in having DD and KD paired up"

    I guess this is the Snooch Republic now?




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    Last edited by special1; Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:31 AM.

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  • JWash
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    I stand by that. If Masai was planning to use DD as a lure for Durant, he would have done a better job building his other contracts around freeing up flexibility to do so.

    My points are not exclusive. First, the only value DeMar can bring is IF he would be a key attraction for Durant. Judging by Masai's moves, he does not believe he will be and has not included DD being kept in any plan to get Durant.

    I can't believe that's really that hard to follow.
    Your first statement says, "If there is a plan for KD, DD is not involved"

    Your second suggests, "If there is a plan for KD, DD might be involved if KD/Masai want him here"

    It's gone from an absolute to an uncertainty, so yes it has changed.

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  • raptors999
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    Snooch wrote: View Post
    Dd goes if you want kd, cause, as has been pointed out sooooo many times, there is no reason to pay dd money to play beside kd.

    It is bs to find any reasoning to find logic in having dd and kd paired up

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    The same could be said of Lowry. CoJo next to KD might be a better option to free cap space and maximize KD

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  • JWash
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    I'm not even suggesting that letting DD walk to sign KD is a bad idea.... it obviously isn't. What I have an issue with is you guys making it out to be the ONLY smart option when it clearly is not.

    You're saying it because you want DD gone, I get that. Some of you probably wouldn't want DD back even if Horford and KD went on TV right now and said "FUCK Toronto I'd never sign in that dump". So really I think at the end of the day this has become another DD debate and not really a discussion on how we can bring in KD.

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  • DanH
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    JWash wrote: View Post
    Ok looks like we're making some progress. At least that BS ultimatum that you guys tried to put on it is gone.
    I stand by that. If Masai was planning to use DD as a lure for Durant, he would have done a better job building his other contracts around freeing up flexibility to do so.

    My points are not exclusive. First, the only value DeMar can bring is IF he would be a key attraction for Durant. Judging by Masai's moves, he does not believe he will be and has not included DD being kept in any plan to get Durant.

    I can't believe that's really that hard to follow.

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  • Snooch
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    Dd goes if you want kd, cause, as has been pointed out sooooo many times, there is no reason to pay dd money to play beside kd.

    It is bs to find any reasoning to find logic in having dd and kd paired up

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  • special1
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Also, if you take the "keep Lowry, lose DD) approach, then you are very close to max cap room in 2017 to add another star beside Durant. If you lose Lowry early and keep DD, you are well off and really need to shed a few pieces to get there.

    To me, the only argument for trying to keep DD is if he is key to Durant signing here. Otherwise he simply isn't good enough to dedicate that kind of money towards him.
    Let's see how he plays this upcoming season.

    He may very well prove that he is good enough to be a part of the future here.

    I'm not sure what kind of money you're talking about.....

    I recall you stating numerous times that you would sign JV to max or a near max extension - Masai signed him for $16 million per year. Who knows what we'll resign DD for.....

    It just goes to show that we shouldn't be making assumptions.


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  • JWash
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    I don't think 2016 is the target and the past few posts are reasons why. If you are planning on DD + KD, you leave room to be able to do it, or to pull it off with small trades. Not by putting yourself in a situation where you have to make significant moves to clear the cap space.

    If there is a plan for KD, DD is not involved.
    DanH wrote: View Post
    Also, if you take the "keep Lowry, lose DD) approach, then you are very close to max cap room in 2017 to add another star beside Durant. If you lose Lowry early and keep DD, you are well off and really need to shed a few pieces to get there.

    To me, the only argument for trying to keep DD is if he is key to Durant signing here. Otherwise he simply isn't good enough to dedicate that kind of money towards him.
    Ok looks like we're making some progress. At least that BS ultimatum that you guys tried to put on it is gone.

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  • DanH
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    JWash wrote: View Post
    You just need to not pick up Bebe's team option and let Biyombo walk (or trade him if he picks up his PO). Not that complicated. It's no different than what we have to do if we let DD walk.
    BeBe's team option needs to be picked up within the next two months. And even then, you probably need to get rid of BeBe plus another rookie scale piece, even assuming Biyombo opts out of his contract. Or get rid of Patterson for very little salary return.

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  • DanH
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    Also, if you take the "keep Lowry, lose DD) approach, then you are very close to max cap room in 2017 to add another star beside Durant. If you lose Lowry early and keep DD, you are well off and really need to shed a few pieces to get there.

    To me, the only argument for trying to keep DD is if he is key to Durant signing here. Otherwise he simply isn't good enough to dedicate that kind of money towards him.

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  • JWash
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    If you trade Lowry you also need to move two other assets (like Bebe and Wright) along with Biyombo (or about $3M). With DD you just need to move Biyombo (or about $3M).
    You just need to not pick up Bebe's team option and let Biyombo walk (or trade him if he picks up his PO). Not that complicated. It's no different than what we have to do if we let DD walk.

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  • planetmars
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    If you trade Lowry you also need to move two other assets (like Bebe and Wright) along with Biyombo (or about $3M). With DD you just need to move Biyombo (or about $3M).

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