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  • The math works. Personally I think that's a worse team than what we have (defining what we have as just dumping enough salary to retain three FA's under the tax).
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    • DanH wrote: View Post
      The math works. Personally I think that's a worse team than what we have (defining what we have as just dumping enough salary to retain three FA's under the tax).
      Agree it's a worse team, plus we've given up 2 assets (1st and Bebe) to make a worse team.

      Masai went for it last trade deadline. It was the right move, but it didn't work. Now we're throwing good money after bad.
      If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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      • And would Reddick sign for "just" $15M? Unless Masai gives him more years than the other suitors - but nobody really wants to do that.
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          And would Reddick sign for "just" $15M? Unless Masai gives him more years than the other suitors - but nobody really wants to do that.
          Even then, 15M would definitely be on the cheap side. Like, $15M is more the ceiling for Tucker or Pat, who I think are a tier below JJ on the market.
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          • New post up as a prep piece for free agency. Mostly just outlines the same stuff we've been looking at but with the lower 99M cap projection.

            https://www.raptorshq.com/2017/6/27/...-cap-situation
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            • We need 3 point shooting... BADLY.

              IM so sick of ISO ball... and now for 3 more years fuck guys this is gonna be a boring brand of b-ball.

              Would have rather just started a true tank here and see what the young guys were made off..

              Not feeling the Raps right now... it won't matter with GS probably winning (as long as they are healthy) for 2-3 more years at least.

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              • DanH wrote: View Post
                Personally, I think the most likely scenario is:

                Re-sign Lowry to a big but sub-max deal (roughly 5/175M, maybe lower if Lowry is feeling generous).
                Re-sign Ibaka to a 5/100-120M deal.
                Re-sign Tucker to a 3/30M deal.
                Let Pat walk.
                Trade Joseph and Carroll into cap space with our 2017 pick and BeBe outgoing as asset cost. Something small and roughly valueless coming back.
                Spend some cash on mid-late 2nd rounders to draft a couple depth pieces. Spend part or all of the MLE (depending on exact amounts of the contracts above and other salary commitments) on a vet wing depth piece.

                Roster ends up like this:

                Lowry-Wright-VanVleet
                DeRozan-Powell-2nd rounder
                Tucker-MLE-Bruno
                Ibaka-Siakam-2nd rounder
                Valanciunas-Poeltl

                That dodges the tax and keeps most of the core together. And keeps the potential for those flexible small lineups with Ibaka at C and Tucker at PF, probably with bench backcourts of KL-Wright-Powell and Wright-DD-Powell, or the closing unit of Lowry-DD-Powell, while also maintaining the team's ability to play big and match up in that direction.
                I wanted to give props to DanH on his analysis . His most likely assessment re next years roster looks like he is going to be very close to his projections --

                At this point looks like staring 5

                JV KL DD DC SI


                Time will tell re bench --I can't say I am dissatisfied. Probable top 4 seed and 50 wins with 3 years to hope to figure out a way to improve at playoff time. Could be worse.

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                • Seems like the preference is to dump JV. Probably less asset cost, at a deeper/more replaceable position/skill set and avoid the asset cost of dumping Demarre. Also, Masai signed Demarre whereas JV is a Bryco guy. I'm sure they'd like to shed Demarre too but... We will see. If JV has somewhere near the asset cost as Demarre then I'd rather keep JV.

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                  • Either way they have to go hunting. Dump Carroll and you need a SF. Dump JV and you need a PF.

                    Ultimately you are right, it will come down to interest and asset cost. Could go either way.
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                    • Looking back at those expectations, besides losing Tucker, this off season has been very successful for the Raps so far.
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                      • DanH wrote: View Post
                        Either way they have to go hunting. Dump Carroll and you need a SF. Dump JV and you need a PF.

                        Ultimately you are right, it will come down to interest and asset cost. Could go either way.
                        They need a PF anyway bc Ibaka and the team seem to favour him at the 5 but he can get some spot mins at 4. They have siakam, Bruno and maybe Pat. OG may end up being more of 4 too. Demarre is the only true 3. Although he's so broken, he's almost "better" at the 4.

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                        • DanH wrote: View Post
                          Either way they have to go hunting. Dump Carroll and you need a SF. Dump JV and you need a PF.

                          Ultimately you are right, it will come down to interest and asset cost. Could go either way.
                          lewro wrote: View Post
                          They need a PF anyway bc Ibaka and the team seem to favour him at the 5 but he can get some spot mins at 4. They have siakam, Bruno and maybe Pat. OG may end up being more of 4 too. Demarre is the only true 3. Although he's so broken, he's almost "better" at the 4.
                          They are give or take @132m$ ... that's with dumping the cap holds on decolo, thompson and Paterson.
                          If the goal is to limbo under the tax then one of Carroll or JV has to go with an asset or two tied to their kiesters

                          So who goes if the aim is to get under the cap?

                          It might be more cost effective to move JV to a cap space team. Atlanta or Brooklyn are possibilities as both teams have a need at C and the desire to stockpile additional assets to some pretty barren cupboards. Carroll, as down as folks get on him, still carries the possibility to provide some 3 pt. shooting. This is still an area of need that hasn't been addressed. We are also arguably thinner at SF than we are at C.

                          If it's to get under the apron then moving Joseph and having Webster kick the cap barrel rules a bit gets them there. PG is another area the Raps at least right now are set up well with. Over the tax but under the apron brings some restrictions for the year but it also lets you bring back pretty much the whole band save for Joseph and Paterson.

                          Is the team better or worse with the apron as the goal line. Guess we will know when we see what Powell can do with legit minutes, if Carroll comes back from Lourdes with a healed up body and a three point shot and if Ibalka gets back to his form at OKC.

                          None of Cleveland, Washington, Boston didn't get right now better. The Bucks are still a work in progress. Philly will be like Minny last year. Lots of young talent that doesn't know how to win yet. Atlanta and the Bulls hit the lottery. Miami if they get Hayward is good but last years miracle will be tough to replicate.

                          I bet we go for the tax apron. Sad to see him go but thanks for a couple of real big buzzer beater shots to win games mr. Joseph and good luck with your new team.
                          Last edited by Demographic Shift; Mon Jul 3rd, 2017, 05:16 PM.

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                          • DanH wrote: View Post
                            Either way they have to go hunting. Dump Carroll and you need a SF. Dump JV and you need a PF.

                            Ultimately you are right, it will come down to interest and asset cost. Could go either way.
                            If it's one or the other I'm all for keeping JV. Raps still need shooting from somewhere and signing another perimeter player makes sense. Either way, a couple of guys like Wright, Powell, Poeltl, Siakam are going to have to step up into a much bigger roles.

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                            • Terrence Jones may be available for the minimum. Guessing there's still a couple members of his fan club here.
                              If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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                              • 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
                                Terrence Jones may be available for the minimum. Guessing there's still a couple members of his fan club here.
                                If available for minimum there is really nothing to lose.

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