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  • Rudy Bargnani
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    https://sports.yahoo.com/video/verti...212838178.html

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  • DanH
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    Rudy Bargnani wrote: View Post
    Also read on the vertical that new cba may see cap holds drastically increasing. That could make next year very interesting.
    Yeah, RFA cap holds in particular. They've become a loophole. This coming summer the Raps have no RFA's, and are going to be stuck up above the cap anyway, so no real impact on them. But could definitely suppress the market with some teams projecting to have significant cap space taking a hit.

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  • Rudy Bargnani
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    Also read on the vertical that new cba may see cap holds drastically increasing. That could make next year very interesting.

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  • Chefff
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    To offer Durant his max (assuming nothing changes with the new CBA) they need cap room (his non-Bird Rights don't allow them to offer his max salary). His max is about 34M based on a 103 (new updated projection) cap. That means that can only have 69M on the cap when they sign him. Klay, Draymond, Looney, Jones, McCaw (and Jason Thompson's waived salary) make 38.5M, leaving them with 30.5M. Steph's cap hold is a no-brainer to keep (they can sign him to the max after) at 18.2M, leaving them with 12.3M. That's 6 roster spots spoken for, leaving 6 minimum salary spots. Those are rumoured to go up about double what they are now, so we'll assume 1M per spot. Now down to 6.3M (though each additional kept player takes a roster spot hold off). They have no first round picks next spring.

    They can keep Zaza's rights for 3.5M (though can't offer more than that if they do). That costs 2.5M, bringing them down to 3.8M. Can keep McAdoo for a QO of 1.25M, almost no cost (drops to 3.5M). But yeah, they can't fit Livingston or Iggy's cap holds in there.

    But, if Durant takes less than his max, and settles for a deal on the order of 4/136M (34M per year)... Then they can keep everyone. Because they can operate over the cap and use his non-Bird Rights to keep him. That's only a 2M per year cut.

    All this of course depends what happens with max salaries, Bird Rights, cap holds, etc, in the new CBA. We'll find out soon.
    wow.

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  • DanH
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post
    DanH:

    Taking a look at the Warriors for next year; in order to keep Durant when he ops out and resign Curry, by my math they'll have roughly 99 million tied up in their big 4 and rookie contracts (current rookies and next years)...with the cap being 102, does that actually mean they waive bye bye to Iguodala and Livingston and have to fill out the rest of the roster with 3 million dollars and vet mins?
    To offer Durant his max (assuming nothing changes with the new CBA) they need cap room (his non-Bird Rights don't allow them to offer his max salary). His max is about 34M based on a 103 (new updated projection) cap. That means that can only have 69M on the cap when they sign him. Klay, Draymond, Looney, Jones, McCaw (and Jason Thompson's waived salary) make 38.5M, leaving them with 30.5M. Steph's cap hold is a no-brainer to keep (they can sign him to the max after) at 18.2M, leaving them with 12.3M. That's 6 roster spots spoken for, leaving 6 minimum salary spots. Those are rumoured to go up about double what they are now, so we'll assume 1M per spot. Now down to 6.3M (though each additional kept player takes a roster spot hold off). They have no first round picks next spring.

    They can keep Zaza's rights for 3.5M (though can't offer more than that if they do). That costs 2.5M, bringing them down to 3.8M. Can keep McAdoo for a QO of 1.25M, almost no cost (drops to 3.5M). But yeah, they can't fit Livingston or Iggy's cap holds in there.

    But, if Durant takes less than his max, and settles for a deal on the order of 4/136M (34M per year)... Then they can keep everyone. Because they can operate over the cap and use his non-Bird Rights to keep him. That's only a 2M per year cut.

    All this of course depends what happens with max salaries, Bird Rights, cap holds, etc, in the new CBA. We'll find out soon.

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  • KeonClark
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    DanH:

    Taking a look at the Warriors for next year; in order to keep Durant when he ops out and resign Curry, by my math they'll have roughly 99 million tied up in their big 4 and rookie contracts (current rookies and next years)...with the cap being 102, does that actually mean they waive bye bye to Iguodala and Livingston and have to fill out the rest of the roster with 3 million dollars and vet mins?

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  • DanH
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    MLB has all sorts of draft pick compensation, options, and other stuff that are more complex than anything in the NBA. But of course their actual cap is fairly nonexistent so salaries don't matter as much.

    NHL is a minefield.

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  • sanyo
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    You clearly are not intimately familiar with the NHL or MLB CBA's. NBA is complex but reasonable.
    MLB i actually understand and there is no bird rights or MLE or all this nonsense...

    Guy's deal ends. You can re-sign him, offer him a qualifying or let him go. Or first six years with the arb and all... and 10 years vet minimum stuff... thats pretty easy to understand...

    NHL to be fair I dont watch hockey much but I've heard it's somewhat complicated too with how tight the cap is... but still.

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  • DanH
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    sanyo wrote: View Post
    Why is the basketball salary cap so fucking complicated.... worst in sports.
    You clearly are not intimately familiar with the NHL or MLB CBA's. NBA is complex but reasonable.

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  • sanyo
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    Why is the basketball salary cap so fucking complicated.... worst in sports.

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  • DanH
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    lewro wrote: View Post
    Bbref
    They are kind of useless for salary info. Use basketball-insiders if you need accurate numbers.

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  • lewro
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    We have either 5.45 or 5.75M in cap room (depending on some confusion over DD's incentives). I lean to 5.45M, but even 5.75M is not enough for Hawes' 6.35M cap hit. Where are you getting your Hawes salary?
    Bbref

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  • DanH
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    3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    Dan, how many years can a deal be if we use the MLE?

    Same length as using cap space?
    4 years each. Early Bird re-signings (like JJ) can also be 4 years (must be at least 2 years).

    Room MLE and BAE are shorter (2 years each). If ever they get into the tax, the tax version of the MLE is 3 years.

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  • 3inthekeon
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    Dan, how many years can a deal be if we use the MLE?

    Same length as using cap space?

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  • DanH
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    We have either 5.45 or 5.75M in cap room (depending on some confusion over DD's incentives). I lean to 5.45M, but even 5.75M is not enough for Hawes' 6.35M cap hit. Where are you getting your Hawes salary?

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