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Yes, traded away in advance - ie before they signed a big name. It is the only way to do it without bleeding assets (heck look at the cost for Golden State when they wanted to make the Iggy signing a sign and trade). So it is a huge risk - trade away a big chunk of our depth just in case Durant signs with us? Sounds like a terrible plan to me.
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There is a way it just involves trading away other players.
It's not unheard of. Morey, who is basically Masai's Western Conference doppleganger, traded away Lin and Asik who were both very valuable role players for the Rockets in 2014 so he could make a run at LeBron, Bosh, Lowry, etc. Both guys were still owed 8.4M the next season (2014-15).
Asik played 20mpg backing up and sometimes playing alongside D12, while Lin logged just shy of 30.
EDIT: Asik was actually traded as part of the Ariza signing, but to me that's an indication Morey would've been willing to dump him if necessary.Last edited by JWash; Wed Aug 26, 2015, 11:00 AM.
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DanH wrote: View PostJV has been officially signed. That's over with.
Even if he hadn't been, between his 12M cap hold and DeMar's 15M cap hold, there would only be about 12M in cap room left over for Durant.
So, no, there doesn't have to be a way.
I was hoping you'd tell me what I wanted to hear.
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JV has been officially signed. That's over with.
Even if he hadn't been, between his 12M cap hold and DeMar's 15M cap hold, there would only be about 12M in cap room left over for Durant.
So, no, there doesn't have to be a way.
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DanH wrote: View PostAgreed, that's my expectation as well.
Though it should be noted they would have room for 7-9 year vet max, not the true max.
Is it possible to slightly "change order" of signings next year:
1. Demar has a cap hold of 14+ mil -wait;
2. Sign Durant or Horford (if possible);
3. Then officially sign JVal to 14+ mil Extension;
4. Resign Demar to market value (my guess 20-25 mil).
Even with all of the above we should be UNDER luxury tax, so there has to be a way.
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DanH wrote: View PostThe 4.5% increases assumed by the NBA are increases in non-TV deal income. So not an expected 4.5% increase overall. It may well increase by that much, but a) they are not "on a roll" as this year they exceeded the projection but the prior year they didn't and b) that is not what they are predicting, and they know their revenue streams better than anyone.
What you're saying here....
If I assume correctly....
Is that the Raptors will indeed sign KD?
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The 4.5% increases assumed by the NBA are increases in non-TV deal income. So not an expected 4.5% increase overall. It may well increase by that much, but a) they are not "on a roll" as this year they exceeded the projection but the prior year they didn't and b) that is not what they are predicting, and they know their revenue streams better than anyone.
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If we did land Durant I'd think it would be through sign and trade.
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JWash wrote: View PostThis is highly debatable. Not going to turn this into a DeRozan thread, but the fact is there is nothing concrete about that statement. And the fact that this is the primary premise for the argument against trading the bench guys vs. letting DD walk, is why I do not agree with that argument at all.
Everybody is free to weigh the pros & cons of all the various alternatives I laid out, coming to their own decision about preference and judgment.Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Tue Aug 25, 2015, 01:00 PM.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostPatterson & Joseph ($13.38M) combine to be less than DeRozan's cap hold ($15.075M), so some of those players you mentioned would likely have to be traded away (with no salary coming back) as well - and that was using the $93M cap projection from planetmars' scenario. Don't forget, trading away players for nothing means that you'd then have to factor in the cap holds for the empty slots (up to 12 roster slots), meaning that your idea really isn't feasible, especially if the cap is closer to $89M.
Even trading Lowry isn't enough, as more than $3M additional salary would need to be dumped, along with enough beyond that to then cover the cap holds for the empty roster slots that the trade(s) creates. Likely one of Patterson or Joseph would need to be traded away with Lowry.
Valanciunas and Carroll are the only players you could likely trade instead of letting DeRozan go, and even then you'd probably have to drop another cheap player (with Carroll at least).
If MU is serious about going after a max free agent, it really makes no sense to try and keep DeRozan, especially if the max player is a wing (ie: Durant). It's not just a matter of completely gutting the bench, but likely gutting the bench and losing a starter (the Raps are already missing a legit starting PF). That's in addition to maxing out the cap, while having many holes to fill, just to keep a player whose greatest strengths are replicated (more efficiently) by the max free agent you're acquiring.
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JWash wrote: View PostOr could we keep Joseph and trade 2Pat, Wright, Biyombo, Bebe (or just not pick up his TO) and get pretty close? The latter 3 add up to about 6.3M which is 1M short of Joseph's deal.
Leaves you with
PG: Lowry/CoJo
SG: DeRozan/Powell
F: Durant/Bruno
F: Carroll
C: Jonas
2016 DEN/NYK pick slotted in somewhere.
Could use the room exception to pick up a backup center then go bargain bin hunting or ring-chaser hunting for a backup 4.
Even trading Lowry isn't enough, as more than $3M additional salary would need to be dumped, along with enough beyond that to then cover the cap holds for the empty roster slots that the trade(s) creates. Likely one of Patterson or Joseph would need to be traded away with Lowry.
Valanciunas and Carroll are the only players you could likely trade instead of letting DeRozan go, and even then you'd probably have to drop another cheap player (with Carroll at least).
If MU is serious about going after a max free agent, it really makes no sense to try and keep DeRozan, especially if the max player is a wing (ie: Durant). It's not just a matter of completely gutting the bench, but likely gutting the bench and losing a starter (the Raps are already missing a legit starting PF). That's in addition to maxing out the cap, while having many holes to fill, just to keep a player whose greatest strengths are replicated (more efficiently) by the max free agent you're acquiring.Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Tue Aug 25, 2015, 12:09 PM.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post- Carroll
- Lowry
- Valanciunas
- Patterson & Joseph
Leaves you with
PG: Lowry/CoJo
SG: DeRozan/Powell
F: Durant/Bruno
F: Carroll
C: Jonas
2016 DEN/NYK pick slotted in somewhere.
Could use the room exception to pick up a backup center then go bargain bin hunting or ring-chaser hunting for a backup 4.
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planetmars wrote: View PostAssuming cap is at $93M and KD's starting salary is at $26M then the numbers look like this:
$64,982,370 - assuming DD, TR, JJ, Scola, De Colo are renounced and Biyombo has yet to pick up his option (also assuming 5th/20th picks in draft are selected).
$28,017,630 - cap left from the $93M assumed cap
$2,017,630 - left after signing KD (with a $26M starting salary - this is estimated)
Biyombo's option is $2,940,630, which is $923,000 over the cap.. so the Raps would have to clear up about $1M if the cap was adjusted like that.
Raptors will have their room mid-level which is about $2.9M. Since they're going to have to use cap space to get KD they won't have the non-tax payer mid-level.
That would leave the roster looking like this, ahead of free agency, with right around enough space for a max offer:
C: Valanciunas, Biyombo, Bebe
PF: Patterson
SF: Carroll, Powell, Bruno
SG:
PG: Lowry, Joseph, Wright
+ #2-10 draft pick from DEN/NYK
+ cap hold for 12th roster spot
Gone: DeRozan, Ross, Scola, JJ, 15th man, De Colo's rights
In order to sign a max free agent and be able to keep DeRozan, the Raptors would need to trade at least one of the following:
- Carroll
- Lowry
- Valanciunas
- Patterson & JosephLast edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Tue Aug 25, 2015, 10:09 AM.
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Heatdreamer wrote: View PostThe cap space is predicated by BRI increases which Silver and crew have been on a roll increasing with a number of new sponsors and for new classifications. Increasing the projected BRI Which was 89 million per team based on a salary cap in 2015 at $66.3 million when the new TV deal was announced in 2014.
As stated earlier NBA philosophy is to increase revenues from sponsors and it is my belief , a more aggressive figure for salary cap may push the figure between $94-95 million dollars, since average increases of BRI are 4.5% per annum.
That is where the $89 x 1.045= $93 million salary cap is being mentioned.
Dan, based on a more aggressive salary cap scenario, how does this affect the aspirational KD format, and does this allow BB to return to the fold.
Could KD be signed and the Raptors have a MLE?
$64,982,370 - assuming DD, TR, JJ, Scola, De Colo are renounced and Biyombo has yet to pick up his option (also assuming 5th/20th picks in draft are selected).
$28,017,630 - cap left from the $93M assumed cap
$2,017,630 - left after signing KD (with a $26M starting salary - this is estimated)
Biyombo's option is $2,940,630, which is $923,000 over the cap.. so the Raps would have to clear up about $1M if the cap was adjusted like that.
Raptors will have their room mid-level which is about $2.9M. Since they're going to have to use cap space to get KD they won't have the non-tax payer mid-level.
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The cap space is predicated by BRI increases which Silver and crew have been on a roll increasing with a number of new sponsors and for new classifications. Increasing the projected BRI Which was 89 million per team based on a salary cap in 2015 at $66.3 million when the new TV deal was announced in 2014.
As stated earlier NBA philosophy is to increase revenues from sponsors and it is my belief , a more aggressive figure for salary cap may push the figure between $94-95 million dollars, since average increases of BRI are 4.5% per annum.
That is where the $89 x 1.045= $93 million salary cap is being mentioned.
Dan, based on a more aggressive salary cap scenario, how does this affect the aspirational KD format, and does this allow BB to return to the fold.
Could KD be signed and the Raptors have a MLE?Last edited by Heatdreamer; Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:09 AM.
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