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  • DanH
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    Puffer wrote: View Post

    Where would you place Davis? Do you have a prediction about his floor? His ceiling?

    It seems to me he is showing a propensity to learn and Nurse is handling him correctly. Hard to think where he might become playoff time. Of course, playoffs is like a completely different league. But I see him as a solid (15 minutes a game) contributor by then.
    Davis is awesome but it's so early. Hard to judge guys until they've been scouted. And he's played pretty protected minutes, as it should be with a rookie. Still, he's leapfrogged every bench player this side of Serge IMO.

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  • Puffer
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    I would say that Lowry, Siakam, FVV and Gasol are indisputably better than OG right now. It's arguable whether OG is better than Serge (I think so, by a good bit). But that's where the line is, IMO. Can't see what argument can be made that anyone else is better than him.
    Where would you place Davis? Do you have a prediction about his floor? His ceiling?

    It seems to me he is showing a propensity to learn and Nurse is handling him correctly. Hard to think where he might become playoff time. Of course, playoffs is like a completely different league. But I see him as a solid (15 minutes a game) contributor by then.
    Last edited by Puffer; Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:33 PM.

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  • DanH
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    I would say that Lowry, Siakam, FVV and Gasol are indisputably better than OG right now. It's arguable whether OG is better than Serge (I think so, by a good bit). But that's where the line is, IMO. Can't see what argument can be made that anyone else is better than him.

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  • G__Deane
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    slaw wrote: View Post

    He isn't better than any of the top 7 as an overall player. He is an excellent defender and his ability to guard multiple positions is a real asset to the team's defense.
    Yup but I was referring to the assertion that he's quote "one of the better players on the team"
    He's young, he's full of potential, he's worth further patience. But he's not one of the better players on the team and he needs to show more imo. 3rd year in the league, regardless I think most would agree he's been a bit underwhelming. Again ....

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  • JawsGT
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post

    Wow @ Terrence Davis. He's really one of our top 5 players when you get off the eye test too...I'm excited for next year when he's (hopefully) not on a minutes leash
    Yeah, and it seems he gets lost in the defensive schemes somtimes. If he starts to figure that end of the floor a bit better, he'll be a great two way player by that measure.

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  • slaw
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    I'm prepared to believe that, but based on what criteria?
    I can't see how he's "better" than Siakam, Kyle, FVV, Gasol, Serge or recent Powell. I'd take Davis over him right now based on short spurt impacts. And of course McCaw ....
    He isn't better than any of the top 7 as an overall player. He is an excellent defender and his ability to guard multiple positions is a real asset to the team's defense.

    I'm not terribly concerned that's he scuffling right now offensively but if it continues into the playoffs it will be an issue.
    Teams are going to double Pascal and run FVV off the line and force him into the paint where he is less effective. Going to need OG to make shots consistently each game, make plays and make the defense respect him (same thing with Gasol), otherwise, the offense will get smothered and this year there is no Kawhi to bail them out.

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  • Demographic Shift
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    Hard to get excited about the game with these Masai rumors.
    Don't be overly worried.
    Know who is the head of the board of governors of the NBA ?
    Larry Tannebaum.
    Know who is still seething over the overt tampering by the Clips with Kawhi...
    Same guy.

    Dolan already one of the least popular members of the lodge has had his nose hit with a rolled up newspaper by the chairman of the board.

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  • LJ2
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    OG is the 5th option on offense in our starting line-up and our first option to guard the opposing teams best player on most nights. Same as Gasol I'd love for him to be more of a scoring threat, but I'll take his defense over that. Again, last option on offense sort of like PJ Tucker on the Rockets.

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  • KeonClark
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    golden wrote: View Post

    If the criteria is PIPM, then OG has about the same overall impact as Powell, but Norm has been trending up sharply while OG has been fading. OG would be our 2nd best defender tied with Pascal, after Gasol.


    Wow @ Terrence Davis. He's really one of our top 5 players when you get off the eye test too...I'm excited for next year when he's (hopefully) not on a minutes leash

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  • golden
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    I'm prepared to believe that, but based on what criteria?
    I can't see how he's "better" than Siakam, Kyle, FVV, Gasol, Serge or recent Powell. I'd take Davis over him right now based on short spurt impacts. And of course McCaw ....
    If the criteria is PIPM, then OG has about the same overall impact as Powell, but Norm has been trending up sharply while OG has been fading. OG would be our 2nd best defender tied with Pascal, after Gasol.


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  • G__Deane
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    People really have to find something (insane) to worry about in the midst of a 12 game win streak, huh? OG is really good and will be even better and your weirdly high expectations for a young primarily defensive player who is being asked to expand his game a bit don’t change the fact that he’s one of the better players on the team at the age of 22.
    I'm prepared to believe that, but based on what criteria?
    I can't see how he's "better" than Siakam, Kyle, FVV, Gasol, Serge or recent Powell. I'd take Davis over him right now based on short spurt impacts. And of course McCaw ....

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  • DanH
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    People really have to find something (insane) to worry about in the midst of a 12 game win streak, huh? OG is really good and will be even better and your weirdly high expectations for a young primarily defensive player who is being asked to expand his game a bit don’t change the fact that he’s one of the better players on the team at the age of 22.

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  • Dr Hannibal Lecter
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    S.R. wrote: View Post

    Yes, OG's iso stats are bad. At this point I just trust the Raptors development plan. The track record speaks for itself and we've seen Siakam, Fred, and even Norm develop consistency and efficiency in areas that were not that way to begin with.
    I know..but u gotta give him some touches, hopefully he turns it around.

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  • G__Deane
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    S.R. wrote: View Post

    Yes, OG's iso stats are bad. At this point I just trust the Raptors development plan. The track record speaks for itself and we've seen Siakam, Fred, and even Norm develop consistency and efficiency in areas that were not that way to begin with.

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  • G__Deane
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    Shredder wrote: View Post
    I know we've beat it to death, but if we still had Casey last night would've been a loss. He would have kept everyone in their predetermined roles, and when the Pacer's bigs were killing us, he would have just kept doing the same thing. Nurse is a hellova coach. He deserved the coach of the month he got for January. If we keep this up, he could(should) get coach of the year.
    NBA will make sure Rivers gets it for just trotting Kawhi and PG and the 6th man of the year out. And load managing .....

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