GAME #64 Toronto Raptors vs Utah Jazz - Monday March 9 2020, 9:00 PM ET

[007]

Utah and OKC players have apparently gone back to their locker rooms along with the officials. They were set to tip off now

[DanH]

I'd be astonished if they pushed the schedule or canceled games. There's a ginormous amount of money tied up in that TV contract and they will probably play to empty arenas right into the post-season if they have to rather than get themselves into a situation where some of that TV money might have to go back.

[Rudy Bargnani]

He might have more time than that to recover

As a damaged raptors fan who supported the team through all the heartache the first thing that went through my mind when I saw hiatus was that we would draw Brooklyn in round 1 and Durant and Irving would be back. That’s of course ridiculous but that was my reaction.

[007]

That's a huge relief.

He might have more time than that to recover

[planetmars]

That's a huge relief.

[consmap]

Sooo has anyone heard about the idea that teams might start playing in empty arenas because of Coronavirus?

[LJ2]

I think they've needed him on the bench with all the injuries. A full roster and maybe he would get some 905 time - though the SG spot is thin.

I tend to agree, but even when FVV, Norm and PM were all healthy I don't recall Davis doing any time with 905. They are handling him differently than the rookies that came before him. They're actually handling his minutes a lot like RHJ, and I get the feeling RHJ isn't a long term piece.

[DanH]

I always check the Advanced stats Defensive Ratings after every game. McCaw generally scores highly by this measure. Davis is really bad or really good, not consistent.

Presuming this is on-court DRTG, which NBA.com tracks for all players, I'm not sure I agree with this assessment. Keep in mind a lower DRTG is better. I've ignored games with <10 MP for the best and worst games below to filter out teeny samples.

McCaw
On-court DRTG: 105.5
5 worst games on-court DRTG: 128.9
5 best games on-court DRTG: 87.1
10 worst games on-court DRTG: 123.6
10 best games on-court DRTG: 90.4

Davis
On-court DRTG: 102.4
5 worst games on-court DRTG: 131.5
5 best games on-court DRTG: 73.6
10 worst games on-court DRTG: 124.2
10 best games on-court DRTG: 79.6

Sure looks a lot like both players have the same worst games, give or take a few percentage points, and Davis does indeed have far better good games, and has them more often, bringing his average performance ahead of McCaw's.

[DanH]

There has go to be some sort of stat that reflects McCaw is a much better defender than TD. If there is one thing that stands about Terrence in comparison to other players drafted by the Raptors, it's that his defensive potential isn't visible like it was with Norm, Pascal, FVV, OG, Delon, Jacob etc.. He's not the typical pick up for this team. But hey, FVV averaged a whopping 8 minutes in his rookie season and 20 mins in his sophmore year. TD is already averaging 17 mins this year.

The thing I find odd is that the Raptors aren't putting TD through the 905 like they did with all of their other rookies. Either they feel his game is too far ahead already, they need him to be available at all times or the less popular idea would be they don't see a player they want to invest in developing.

Impact stats like PIPM are the best shot we have at quantifying defence right now, though obviously no defensive stat is perfect.

Still, by PIPM McCaw is roughly an average defender (-0.01), ranking higher than Powell (-0.18) and Davis (-0.19) but the difference between those numbers is exceedingly small. They are all roughly equivalent defenders, won't kill you but not a strength, and all graded primarily against bench opposition, though Powell and McCaw both have at least some starter opposition in their sample, even if both players are hidden somewhat in those lineups as OG tends to take the best wing opponent. Personally I despise the way McCaw plays defence but it hasn't on balance shown up as a significant negative.

It's on offence that impact stats hate McCaw, with obvious good reason.

[S.R.]

There has go to be some sort of stat that reflects McCaw is a much better defender than TD. If there is one thing that stands about Terrence in comparison to other players drafted by the Raptors, it's that his defensive potential isn't visible like it was with Norm, Pascal, FVV, OG, Delon, Jacob etc.. He's not the typical pick up for this team. But hey, FVV averaged a whopping 8 minutes in his rookie season and 20 mins in his sophmore year. TD is already averaging 17 mins this year.

The thing I find odd is that the Raptors aren't putting TD through the 905 like they did with all of their other rookies. Either they feel his game is too far ahead already, they need him to be available at all times or the less popular idea would be they don't see a player they want to invest in developing.

I think they've needed him on the bench with all the injuries. A full roster and maybe he would get some 905 time - though the SG spot is thin.

[danno]

There has go to be some sort of stat that reflects McCaw is a much better defender than TD. If there is one thing that stands about Terrence in comparison to other players drafted by the Raptors, it's that his defensive potential isn't visible like it was with Norm, Pascal, FVV, OG, Delon, Jacob etc.. He's not the typical pick up for this team. But hey, FVV averaged a whopping 8 minutes in his rookie season and 20 mins in his sophmore year. TD is already averaging 17 mins this year.

The thing I find odd is that the Raptors aren't putting TD through the 905 like they did with all of their other rookies. Either they feel his game is too far ahead already, they need him to be available at all times or the less popular idea would be they don't see a player they want to invest in developing.

I always check the Advanced stats Defensive Ratings after every game. McCaw generally scores highly by this measure. Davis is really bad or really good, not consistent.

[LJ2]

And that's the double standard: McCaw has an unlimited green light to do nothing in long minutes, game after game. And that "nothing" shows up as a negative, 9 times out of ten... with heaping praise for the 1 out of 10. That's un-conditional love. Whereas every other bench player has a gun to their head with a nano-metre sized leash. It's no wonder Davis, Boucher, Thomas, RHJ, etc.... can't play freely and let the game come to them.

There has go to be some sort of stat that reflects McCaw is a much better defender than TD. If there is one thing that stands about Terrence in comparison to other players drafted by the Raptors, it's that his defensive potential isn't visible like it was with Norm, Pascal, FVV, OG, Delon, Jacob etc.. He's not the typical pick up for this team. But hey, FVV averaged a whopping 8 minutes in his rookie season and 20 mins in his sophmore year. TD is already averaging 17 mins this year.

The thing I find odd is that the Raptors aren't putting TD through the 905 like they did with all of their other rookies. Either they feel his game is too far ahead already, they need him to be available at all times or the less popular idea would be they don't see a player they want to invest in developing.

[golden]

I am not worried at all, as Davis right now is looking for an identity. The guy has shown alot of talent and skills, but he is playing with a team that is so deep which prevents him from getting something close to 30 minutes per game to shape his game in the right way.
Look at OG it took him two seasons to shape his game based on his skill and talent, but that happend when he started and the right amount of minutes.
Davis wants to do so much in very short minutes.

And that's the double standard: McCaw has an unlimited green light to do nothing in long minutes, game after game. And that "nothing" shows up as a negative, 9 times out of ten... with heaping praise for the 1 out of 10. That's un-conditional love. Whereas every other bench player has a gun to their head with a nano-metre sized leash. It's no wonder Davis, Boucher, Thomas, RHJ, etc.... can't play freely and let the game come to them.

[G__Deane]

Waiting til Saturday to hand Casey another beatdown .... *sigh*
Gasol will play, OG will have fully healed up, hopefully Pow-Pow Powell is ready to go, looking for updates in the next day or two

[RaptorsVictim]

Anyone a little worried about Terence? He's been pretty bad since the Milwaukee game. -15 last night in 6 minutes. Missed his only 3, and turned the ball over pretty badly.

Needed him as well since Norm got hurt and we were on a second game of the back to back in Utah of all places. Is it just him hitting the rookie wall? Hope his confidence hasn't taken a beating. His minutes have really been reduced the last two games (not surprisingly).

I remember when he used to shoot a 3 and it would just be automatic.

I am not worried at all, as Davis right now is looking for an identity. The guy has shown alot of talent and skills, but he is playing with a team that is so deep which prevents him from getting something close to 30 minutes per game to shape his game in the right way.
Look at OG it took him two seasons to shape his game based on his skill and talent, but that happend when he started and the right amount of minutes.
Davis wants to do so much in very short minutes.