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  • Apollo wrote: View Post

    Possibly but this article fails to mention other negative factors such as that fact the virus kills T cells similarly to that of HIV. The extent is still being researched but the t cells are the front line defense and once one becomes a young adult the body loses it's ability to produce significant amounts.
    Can you please cut this panic-porn out? The study from China claiming T-cell infection was quickly criticized and finally retracted for being total junk.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41423-020-0424-9
    Last edited by KHD; Fri Jul 10th, 2020, 09:08 AM.

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    • KHD wrote: View Post

      Can you please cut this panic-porn out? The study from China claiming T-cell infection was quickly criticized and finally retracted for being total junk.

      https://www.nature.com/articles/s41423-020-0424-9
      So you're aroused by news articles about COVID19. If you find its a problem in your life then you're right, the best thing you can do is to avoid it but that change must come from within, not from without. Good luck.

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      • Apollo wrote: View Post
        So you're aroused by news articles about COVID19. If you find its a problem in your life then you're right, the best thing you can do is to avoid it but that change must come from within, not from without. Good luck.
        do you have an actual response?

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        • KHD wrote: View Post

          do you have an actual response?
          What are you looking for? I can't shelter you from everything you define as porn. That's your job.

          Today is July 10th and the link you shared said the article was retracted July 10th. So it became porn in your mind sometime this morning then, did it? So avoid it.

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          • Instead, let's talk about Trudeau trying to give $900M to some friends at WE that have had him, his Mother, wife and brother receive significant "homorariums/pay" whatever. I use sports to keep my mind OFF politics

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            • G__Deane wrote: View Post
              Instead, let's talk about Trudeau trying to give $900M to some friends at WE that have had him, his Mother, wife and brother receive significant "homorariums/pay" whatever. I use sports to keep my mind OFF politics
              That whole thing is off, both the fact that the Trudeaus got personally reimbursed but also the whole idea of handling almost a billion dollars to one NGO to distribute in behalf of the government. Funding like this is normally distributed by the government itself directly to successful applicants, hopefully as part of an open and transparent proposal process.

              The whole Trudeau family has always been a bit aloof, not sure they're convinced the rules everybody else needs to follow apply to them.
              "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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              • Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                • S.R. wrote: View Post

                  That whole thing is off, both the fact that the Trudeaus got personally reimbursed but also the whole idea of handling almost a billion dollars to one NGO to distribute in behalf of the government. Funding like this is normally distributed by the government itself directly to successful applicants, hopefully as part of an open and transparent proposal process.

                  The whole Trudeau family has always been a bit aloof, not sure they're convinced the rules everybody else needs to follow apply to them.
                  Plus Morneau is exposed as dirty too now. It's incredible the lack of common sense and WE gets painted with the same filthy brush.
                  JT continues to get very very bad advice or else continues to ignore it.

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                  • Apollo wrote: View Post
                    So building herd immunity does not sound so promising. I am glad Canada opted not to experiment with that:
                    https://news.yahoo.com/research-coal...194200542.html
                    To paraphrase a quote, “herd immunity does not mean giving the herd the disease”. It would be a disaster if any country, state or province had enough people get the disease to even create the possibility of herd immunity. Herd immunity is getting enough people the vaccine so that the people who for whatever reason choose not to get it, are still protected. No herd immunity til then.

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                    • Jclaw wrote: View Post

                      To paraphrase a quote, “herd immunity does not mean giving the herd the disease”. It would be a disaster if any country, state or province had enough people get the disease to even create the possibility of herd immunity. Herd immunity is getting enough people the vaccine so that the people who for whatever reason choose not to get it, are still protected. No herd immunity til then.
                      Definition:
                      Herd immunity (also called herd effect, community immunity, population immunity, or social immunity) is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a large percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through vaccination or previous infections, thereby providing a measure of protection for individuals who are not immune.
                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

                      So I disagree and for instance people have been watching places like Sweden to see if they'd achieve herd immunity. It's been widely used in this and similar context.

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                      • Apollo wrote: View Post

                        Definition:

                        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

                        So I disagree and for instance people have been watching places like Sweden to see if they'd achieve herd immunity. It's been widely used in this and similar context.
                        All correct facts you point out. But notice they mention vaccination first. Sweden is the often quoted country but they are nowhere near herd immunity.

                        Here’s the thread I was talking about.

                        https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTopol...22827607486466

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                        • So you're coming up with a rule book of how we should follow definitions? I don't recognize your authority. I still like ya though.

                          Bringing it back to the initial exchange, what I said fits the definition and in here earlier the idea of letting the virus take its course in order to developed a herd immunity like would happen in all times prior to medical science was tossed around. Sweden was brought up. That's where I was coming from with my post.

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                          • Open the playgrounds! https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coron...unds-1.5645602

                            Half of what we've done we're going to realize was ineffective in hindsight. I'm fine with that when decisions had to be made on minimal data. As new info like this comes out, it better inform upcoming decisions - e.g. how to operate schools.
                            "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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                            • S.R. wrote: View Post
                              Open the playgrounds! https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coron...unds-1.5645602

                              Half of what we've done we're going to realize was ineffective in hindsight. I'm fine with that when decisions had to be made on minimal data. As new info like this comes out, it better inform upcoming decisions - e.g. how to operate schools.
                              wait aren't they open already? went to a park last week near Yonge-Finch. Kids were playing in water park and swings.
                              Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                              • MixxAOR wrote: View Post

                                wait aren't they open already? went to a park last week near Yonge-Finch. Kids were playing in water park and swings.
                                Depends where you are I'm sure, here city parks are open but school grounds (inc playgrounds) are still closed.

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                                "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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