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  • KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Taken from Reddit. Facts, with links and sources, from u/L00MWeaver
    1. According to data from the best-studied countries such as South Korea, Iceland, Germany and Denmark, the overall lethality of Covid19 is in the lower per mille range and thus up to twenty times lower than initially assumed by the WHO.
    2. A study in Nature Medicine comes to a similar conclusion even for the Chinese city of Wuhan. The initially significantly higher values for Wuhan were obtained because a many people with mild or no symptoms were not recorded.
    3. 50% to 80% of test-positive individuals remain symptom-free. Even among the 70 to 79 year old persons about 60% remain symptom-free, many more show only mild symptoms.
    4. The median age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years and only about 1% of the deceased had no serious previous illnesses. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.
    5. Many media reports of young and healthy people dying from Covid19 have proven to be false upon closer inspection. Many of these people either did not die from Covid19 or they in fact had serious preconditions (such as undiagnosed leukaemia).
    6. Normal overall mortality in the US is about 8000 people per day, in Germany about 2600 people and in Italy about 1800 people per day. Influenza mortality in the US is up to 80,000, in Germany and Italy up to 25,000, and in Switzerland up to 1500 people per winter.
    7. Strongly increased death rates, as in northern Italy, can be influenced by additional risk factors such as very high air pollution and microbial contamination as well as a collapse in the care of the elderly and sick due to mass panic and lockdown measures.
    8. In countries such as Italy and Spain, and to some extent Great Britain and the US, a serious overload of hospitals, notably by the flu, is not unusual. In addition, up to 15% of doctors and nurses currently have to self-quarantine, even if they develop no symptoms.
    9. An important distinction concerns the question of whether people die with or indeed from coronaviruses. Autopsies show that in many cases the previous illnesses were an important or decisive factor, but the official figures usually do not reflect this.
    10. Thus in order to assess the danger of the disease, the key indicator is not the often mentioned number of test-positive persons and deceased, but the number of persons who actually and unexpectedly develop or die of pneumonia.
    11. The often shown exponential curves of “corona cases” are misleading, since the number of tests also increases exponentially. In most countries, the ratio of positive tests to total tests either remains constant between 5% to 25% or increases rather slowly.
    12. Countries without lockdowns and contact bans, such as Japan, South Korea and Sweden, have not experienced a more negative course of events than other countries. This might call into question the effectiveness of such far-reaching measures.
    13. According to leading lung specialists, invasive ventilation of Covid19 patients is often counterproductive and causes additional damage to the lungs. The invasive ventilation of Covid19 patients is partly done out of fear of spreading the virus through aerosols.
    14. Contrary to original assumptions, however, the WHO determined at the end of March that there is no evidence of aerosol dispersal of the virus. A leading German virologist also found no aerosol and no smear infections in a pilot study.
    15. Many clinics in Europe and the US have been lacking patients and some have had to introduce short-time work. Numerous operations and therapies were cancelled by clinics, even emergency patients sometimes stay at home out of fear of the virus.
    16. Several media have been caught trying to dramatize the situation in clinics, sometimes even with manipulative pictures and videos. In general, many media outlets do not question even doubtful official statements and figures.
    17. The virus test kits used internationally are prone to errors. Several studies have shown that even normal corona viruses can give a false positive result. Moreover, the virus test currently in use has not been clinically validated due to time pressure.
    18. Numerous internationally renowned experts from the fields of virology, immunology and epidemiology consider the measures taken to be counterproductive and recommend a rapid natural immunisation of the general population while protecting risk groups.
    19. The number of people suffering from unemployment, psychological problems and domestic violence as a result of the measures taken has exploded in the US and worldwide. Several experts believe that the measures may claim more lives than the virus itself.
    20. NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden warned that the corona crisis is used for the massive and permanent expansion of global surveillance. The renowned virologist Pablo Goldschmidt spoke of a “global media terror” and “totalitarian measures”. Leading British virologist Professor John Oxford spoke of a “media epidemic”.
    Refreshing post, down-to-earth. Points 3,4,5,6 are well-known (or at least suspected) by most people looking at this through a statistical rational look, without the cloud of emotion. Point 11 is also huge; it irks me that you hardly ever see the % of tests that are positive (and the % of that % that are serious), only a raw increase in "cases" which is precisely what you should expect if you test more. You also often have to dig a lot to find median age and fatalities corrected by local life expectancy.

    I kinda had a feeling about 8 and 15. #16 is just disgusting. And finally, #19 is massively important , and yet no one seems to give a damn.

    I'm no conspiracy theorist, I've voted both right and left throughout my life. I've smelled both bullshit and virtue from both sides of the spectrum over the years. There's a funny smell about this one, politics aside.


    2019 NBA Champions. Glad to have doubted the doubters.

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    • golden wrote: View Post

      Unless you're an anthrax dealer in the US, how has the Patriot Act truly impacted your life in a significant way ...... before and after 9/11?
      I mean, everything that Snowden blew the whistle on is all related to 9/11 and the Patriot Act. It may not have a huge impact on us as Canadians, but there were certainly some loss of Freedom/Rights.

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      • golden wrote: View Post

        The irony is that the scaredy-cat countries (Taiwan, Vietman, Singapore, Korea,...) who over-reacted like Chicken Littles right at the beginning are almost out of this first wave, and some of those scaredy-cats didn't even have to go into lockdown or close schools.

        Lesson: if you're going to be a scaredy-cat, then do it early and go big.
        not so much scaredy cats, as completely aware of the honesty and integrity of lying communists.

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        • Joey wrote: View Post
          I mean, everything that Snowden blew the whistle on is all related to 9/11 and the Patriot Act. It may not have a huge impact on us as Canadians, but there were certainly some loss of Freedom/Rights.
          i think the patriot act showed the importance of "meta data". during that time we all thought it wasn't anything. it made google.

          and back doors to get rid of pesky citizens' rights on suspicions is pretty yucky.

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          • Miekenstien wrote: View Post

            not so much scaredy cats, as completely aware of the honesty and integrity of lying communists.
            LOL Oh man, you and your Commies Miek.

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            • Anyway, once again, let's try and keep this about Corona. If possible.

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              • Joey wrote: View Post
                Anyway, once again, let's try and keep this about Corona. If possible.


                Its a little light for my liking. I dont mind maybe one or two on a hot summer day on the patio or by the water. Wouldnt buy a 6 pack, wouldn't turn one down if offered either.
                To be the champs you got to beat the champs

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                • Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                  • Jacksonville has reopened beaches with limited hours
                    The name's Bond, James Bond.

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                    • 007 wrote: View Post
                      Jacksonville has reopened beaches with limited hours
                      Which will just mean more people crammed onto the beach in those hours

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                      • MixxAOR wrote: View Post
                        These memes are hilarious. Check our Ghana Says Goodbye on reddit for more
                        To be the champs you got to beat the champs

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                            Part 2:
                            The name's Bond, James Bond.

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                            • MixxAOR wrote: View Post
                              Let's go outside everybody they can't fine all of us LOL
                              I'm going outside 8X a day now with my dogs
                              As long as I walk by myself with them, I feel fairly safe from Federale der komissar

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                              • bertarapsfan wrote: View Post



                                Its a little light for my liking. I dont mind maybe one or two on a hot summer day on the patio or by the water. Wouldnt buy a 6 pack, wouldn't turn one down if offered either.


                                Corona Beer changes their name to Ebola Extra to avoid association ...

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