Everything Coronavirus

[golden]

Trudeau has been heeding your advice, golden. And again, such a way with words. Don't be talkin moist on me!

When I think of well-known "moist talkers", Justin is near the top of the list, just behind Sylvester and up there with Mike Tyson.

[bertarapsfan]

At some point we are going to have to segregate into people who can go about there days working and helping run the country and those who are vulnerable and need to stay social distanced.
People who are elderly have underlying conditions or come into contact with those groups will have a prolonged social distance, while young healthy 16-35 year olds may just have to carry the economy and let the virus infect them naturally.

What happens when everyone stays in there house till September, we all come out and everyone just gets sick again? The young generation is going to be called upon like the women who sacrificed to run the economy during war times.

The vaccine stuff is a far cry, read some of the scientific peer reviewed papers on research into vaccines for previous Corona viruses it not promising. We did well to not let things get overloaded in Canada health care wise. But we are going to just have to let this run through the population at some point. the question is begging to be do we want to have big spikes of illness followed by months of isolation repeatedly, or allow the healthy individuals to take the burden of helping gain herd immunity.

Some of the studys say up to 50% of cases may be asymptomatic so antibody tests and normal testing should be our goal rather then vaccines.

[golden]

This pandemic is exposing to the public the extent to which western institutions have been infiltrated and corrupted by the PRC. Lots of businessmen, politicians, academics, media, etc., have sold out their countries to make a quick buck. Along with China, these people need to be shamed and shunned after this is over.

The NBA, Adam Silver and Lebron James approve this message.

And why wait to start shaming and shunning?

[Zak24gege]

What organization is guaranteeing there will be a vaccine, ever?
Same one working on an AIDS vaccine? Or seasonal flu?

Right. We can't wait for a vaccine. They have been handing out flu vaccines forever and it's no guarantee of immunity? The seasonal flu is the #1 cause of death among infectious diseases. IMO we need to be talking about exit plans soon. People cannot just be told "stay home and we will tell you when it's safe". For the most part, the worst is over, for almost every province the numbers of newly infected have been stable or decreasing (QC, NS not there yet). The distancing, isolation, quarantining is working, our hospitals have met the challenge, we have enough ICU beds / ventilators. Perhaps the US will need the 30,000 ventilators Trudeau wants Canadian companies to build. A line from today's Globe and Mail

This effort will give this country, at least temporarily, a made-in-Canada capacity to produce many of the goods needed as infection rates and deaths rise.

Infection rates are not rising. In 8 out of 10 provinces they are dropping. Quebec's numbers have dropped below it's peak 2 days in a row and NS appears is to be at it's peak. Unfortunately yes total deaths will rise, but the death rate is not. It's inaccurate and misleading reporting that is creating a sense of panic.which is not needed. I can imagine with our gov't now involved with these 30,000 ventilators, they will end up being the most expensive ever produced. Hard to imagine these will ever be used in Canada. Interesting CAE is involved, why not SNC-Lavalin too?

[Sonny]

At some point we are going to have to segregate into people who can go about there days working and helping run the country and those who are vulnerable and need to stay social distanced.
People who are elderly have underlying conditions or come into contact with those groups will have a prolonged social distance, while young healthy 16-35 year olds may just have to carry the economy and let the virus infect them naturally.

What happens when everyone stays in there house till September, we all come out and everyone just gets sick again? The young generation is going to be called upon like the women who sacrificed to run the economy during war times.

The vaccine stuff is a far cry, read some of the scientific peer reviewed papers on research into vaccines for previous Corona viruses it not promising. We did well to not let things get overloaded in Canada health care wise. But we are going to just have to let this run through the population at some point. the question is begging to be do we want to have big spikes of illness followed by months of isolation repeatedly, or allow the healthy individuals to take the burden of helping gain herd immunity.

Some of the studys say up to 50% of cases may be asymptomatic so antibody tests and normal testing should be our goal rather then vaccines.

Young people are not immune to this disease though.

[bertarapsfan]

Young people are not immune to this disease though.

I know but everyone is likely going to have to catch this eventually. There isn't going to be a world to come back to if everyone stays in there house for 12 months. Also once everyone emerges it will just run through the population again, it will just be wave followed by isolation repeat.

The day will come at some point were we have to try to return to normalcy. The most realistic option is to put the least vulnerable members of society back into the world and see how we respond.
You want to wait till we have a vaccine some 70 year old might spend the last 10 years of there life holed up in the house eating pasta and rice only for no vaccine to come

[G__Deane]

Right. We can't wait for a vaccine. They have been handing out flu vaccines forever and it's no guarantee of immunity? The seasonal flu is the #1 cause of death among infectious diseases. IMO we need to be talking about exit plans soon. People cannot just be told "stay home and we will tell you when it's safe". For the most part, the worst is over, for almost every province the numbers of newly infected have been stable or decreasing (QC, NS not there yet). The distancing, isolation, quarantining is working, our hospitals have met the challenge, we have enough ICU beds / ventilators. Perhaps the US will need the 30,000 ventilators Trudeau wants Canadian companies to build. A line from today's Globe and Mail Infection rates are not rising. In 8 out of 10 provinces they are dropping. Quebec's numbers have dropped below it's peak 2 days in a row and NS appears is to be at it's peak. Unfortunately yes total deaths will rise, but the death rate is not. It's inaccurate and misleading reporting that is creating a sense of panic.which is not needed. I can imagine with our gov't now involved with these 30,000 ventilators, they will end up being the most expensive ever produced. Hard to imagine these will ever be used in Canada. Interesting CAE is involved, why not SNC-Lavalin too?

No bribes were required this time so SNC's expertise was not required. Maybe got a hefty cash consulting fee though....

[Zak24gege]

I know but everyone is likely going to have to catch this eventually. There isn't going to be a world to come back to if everyone stays in there house for 12 months. Also once everyone emerges it will just run through the population again, it will just be wave followed by isolation repeat.

The day will come at some point were we have to try to return to normalcy. The most realistic option is to put the least vulnerable members of society back into the world and see how we respond.
You want to wait till we have a vaccine some 70 year old might spend the last 10 years of there life holed up in the house eating pasta and rice only for no vaccine to come

Actually, it's not until you get to around age 60 - 69 when the disease fatality rate starts to jumps to ~3%. Most fatalities are in the 80+ age group. Even then, for the 80+ the numbers show that getting COVID-19 is not a death sentence as something like 85% get through this.

[Zak24gege]

Extract from a Andrew Coyne article "There's Reason for hope in Canada's coronovirus data"

In Ontario, for instance, the number of COVID-19 patients in ICUs was projected by the province’s health department, just last week, to exceed 750 by now – and that was the “best case” scenario. The actual number, as of Tuesday: 233.

We are not by any means out of the woods. Nor can we let down our guard any time soon. But if you thought things were hopeless, or the policy wasn’t working, you’re wrong. It’s working.

And yesterday we hear Justin is working on another 30,000 ventilators! This is an example of the disconnect between what we are being told vs what we are actually seeing. Check out BC's numbers. They are seeing now only new 25 cases a day - in Vancouver - yet have a province in lockdown. We know how this disease is contracted, if we have to wear face masks, ok, keep precautions in place, but let's start to talk about getting this country back to work!

[MixxAOR]

China lifted quarantine in Wuhan. Now we wait.

[KeonClark]

China lifted quarantine in Wuhan. Now we wait.

Here's a sneak preview. Coming soon to a province near you:

But the city that has reopened after more than 10 weeks is a profoundly damaged one, a place whose recovery will be watched worldwide for lessons on how populations move past pain and calamity of such staggering magnitude.

Across Wuhan, nearly 94 percent of businesses — almost 11,000 of them in total — have resumed operations, said Hu Yabo, the city’s deputy mayor, at a recent news briefing. For major industrial enterprises, the rate exceeded 97 percent. For service companies, it was 93 percent.

It is unclear how much business they are actually doing, however. At industrial companies in Wuhan, only 60 percent of employees are on the job, and electricity consumption is one-fifth less than what it was this time last year, said Dang Zhen, another city official, at the same briefing.

Honda’s local venture is back to producing at full capacity, Mr. Hu said. Huawei, the Chinese tech giant, said on social media that employees at its Wuhan research center were eagerly returning to work “as a fresh wave of positivity pulsates around the building.”

Yet gloom about the local economy remains widespread. Much of China’s factory sector is suffering as the pandemic dampens overseas demand for exports. As businesses pull back their spending on equipment and offices, the effects will ripple through the rest of the economy.

“The whole world is in a bad state, and as far as the future goes, nobody has much confidence,” Ms. Ding said.

For many small businesses, the loss of income could lead to further trouble. Short on cash, companies that have laid off workers may not be able to rehire them right away. Others worry about backed-up inventories of unsold goods, maintenance costs for equipment and customs disputes as the pandemic continues to snarl commerce around the world.

This month, a large group of restaurateurs in Wuhan wrote a letter to the city government pleading for rent relief, subsidized loans and wage support. The epidemic, they said, had been a “total disaster” for the industry.



“Before this epidemic, Wuhan was a city with a lot of vitality,” Ms. Yan said. “Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Shenzhen are already economically mature. But Wuhan has just gotten started.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/w...ronavirus.html

[Miekenstien]

https://www.smithsfalls.ca/public-no...e-to-covid-19/

It's in my town. Didn't even know, an old folks home 500 meters from my house, and another one about a km up the road. One worker worked at both places, and wasn't from small town Ontario.

[slaw]

China lifted quarantine in Wuhan. Now we wait.

Wait for what? You can't trust anything that comes out of China.

[slaw]

Trudeau got embarrassed at the pics of Ford yesterday moving masks so now our PM is leaving his 28-day isolation.

[golden]

Wait for what? You can't trust anything that comes out of China.

We're not allowed to say that out loud in Canada. That's xenophobic.