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  • Maury wrote: View Post

    do we go back to normal before the second wave? Or are we just on lockdown for the next 12 months? That's the question. Trudeau says we don't go back to normal until we have a vaccine. I think that's wishful thinking.
    Depends on what you define "normal" as. Like, restrictions on being around other people could be relaxed but still have no big gatherings like sporting events and concerts + as many people as possible work from home? There's layers to it.

    Also depends on what kind of test and trace system we can put in place. The faster we're able to detect and contain any secondary waves, the less continually strict we need to be
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    • 007 wrote: View Post

      Depends on what you define "normal" as. Like, restrictions on being around other people could be relaxed but still have no big gatherings like sporting events and concerts + as many people as possible work from home? There's layers to it.

      Also depends on what kind of test and trace system we can put in place. The faster we're able to detect and contain any secondary waves, the less continually strict we need to be
      As soon as they are able to get their hands on a reliable antigen test that can easily be administered, tested and given results within minutes, that would be a game changer. That should be coming soon...

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      • bertarapsfan wrote: View Post
        https://globalnews.ca/news/6810568/c...AOABCLb50JSrv4

        Ontario family gets a $880 ticket for roller blading in a empty parking lot with his 3 sons.
        Thats fucked up and the kind of stuff people were worried about. This better get throw out very bad precedent to set.
        I thought it was just mainly Provincial parks that were totally off limits? The Community Centre might be closed but as far as I understand, the parking lot for a single family to rollerblade is fine, the cop just over stepped his bounds. You're ALLOWED to be in public parks for instance, just with groups that live together. It's like the room mates getting crapped on for playing frisbee, they're ALLOWED to. It's like some people feel we're supposed to be as miserable as possible....

        Charge for the follerbladers should be dropped and the cop given better training imo

        The other bizarre one is the dude spitting on the elevator buttons. Give HIM the $1000 fine, not a Dad and his kids just trying to get some exercise and stay sane.

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        • On the news this morning, 280 warnings issued in Toronto on the weekend, 86 tickets. Oakville story didn't make the news since it looks back on the bylaw.

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          • golden wrote: View Post
            Ontario seems to leveling off at 400-500 new cases per day. Fingers crossed, and hope we’ve hit the peak.
            Ya, if you look at the Log Scale for Cases in all of Canada I think we are trending toward a plateau.

            https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/canada/

            And the Active Cases graph definitely appears to leveling off a little bit as well.

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            • bertarapsfan wrote: View Post
              https://globalnews.ca/news/6810568/c...AOABCLb50JSrv4

              Ontario family gets a $880 ticket for roller blading in a empty parking lot with his 3 sons.
              Thats fucked up and the kind of stuff people were worried about. This better get throw out very bad precedent to set.
              That's pretty weak and unfortunate. I was walking through the park this weekend and there was a bilaw officer there walking around, but there was also families playing catch, other people walking their dog, playing with their kids, and he didn't seem to have an issue with it. I asked him, and he was mostly looking to stop people from gathering, sitting on the benches/playgrounds etc.

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              • Yeah the ticket thing is dumb. Isn't that something that needs to be passed in some sort of legislation? Feels like communism to me. Hopefully judges throw those tickets out if fought.

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                • #endthelockdown trending in Canada and also #FireFauci trending in Politics
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                  • bertarapsfan wrote: View Post
                    https://globalnews.ca/news/6810568/c...AOABCLb50JSrv4

                    Ontario family gets a $880 ticket for roller blading in a empty parking lot with his 3 sons.
                    Thats fucked up and the kind of stuff people were worried about. This better get throw out very bad precedent to set.
                    The cop told him to go home and he started arguing. First rule is don't argue with cops. That's when he issued the ticket.

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                    • Gonzz wrote: View Post

                      The cop told him to go home and he started arguing. First rule is don't argue with cops. That's when he issued the ticket.
                      What was the "argument"? He asked what was the reasoning behind asking him and his family to leave a non-taped, empty parking lot with no one around. The man wasn't throwing a 50-people tailgate party. People in this country have the right to respectfully ask why they're being told to do something by police.

                      The cop didn't have a good reason for it, as there's actually no rule against people being outside with their family as long as they're respecting the social distancing. So cop gets flustered, goes on a power trip and gives an unfounded $880 ticket, which is close to half of the man's CERB for the month if he's on it, while also confusing the children further as to what is allowed and what's not. If it doesn't get thrown out it will say a lot about what we're heading to as a society during this.
                      Last edited by inthepaint; Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:09 PM.

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                      • Gonzz wrote: View Post

                        The cop told him to go home and he started arguing. First rule is don't argue with cops. That's when he issued the ticket.
                        Where is that the first rule? Nazi germany?
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                        • https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...sL4hhuvZa49B0E
                          Strictly by the numbers, the coronavirus does not register as a dire global crisis

                          In the three months or so since it started, the new coronavirus and its related COVID-19 disease – which emerged in the Chinese province of Hubei late in 2019 and now numbers more than 110,000 cases around the world – have caused more than 4,000 deaths, mostly in China. As the case numbers grow around the world, including in Canada, where there are now more than 70 cases, people have become concerned that a pandemic is inevitable.

                          But in the same three months, there have been about three million deaths in China from other causes, and about 14 million deaths worldwide. During the same three-month period, according to Health Canada, there have been almost 10,000 deaths in Canada from tobacco addiction, for instance – and just one from COVID-19.

                          Is COVID-19 a global crisis? Certainly for people who can’t add.

                          Over the past month, the geography of COVID-19 has changed, but the global numbers have, if anything, become smaller. By the numbers, this is The Incredible Shrinking Pandemic. If we accept that testing capacity and vigilance have increased substantially in the past month, this observation is even more powerful.

                          A couple of important caveats: First, far more cases are out there than are being reported. This is because many cases have no symptoms and testing capacity has been limited. There have been about 100,000 cases reported to date, but, if we extrapolate from the number of reported deaths and a presumed case-fatality rate of 0.5 per cent, the real number is probably closer to two million – the vast majority mild or asymptomatic.

                          Likewise, the actual rate of new cases is probably at least 10,000 a day. If these numbers sound large, though, remember that the world is a very big place. From a global perspective, these numbers are very small.

                          Second, the Hubei outbreak – by far the largest, and a kind of worst-case scenario – appears to be winding down. How bad was it? Well, the number of deaths was comparable to an average influenza season. That’s not nothing, but it’s not catastrophic, either, and it isn’t likely to overwhelm a competent health-care system. Not even close.

                          The only plausible explanation is that COVID-19 is just not very transmissible among humans. Thank goodness. When it comes to pandemic potential, transmissibility isn’t the most important thing – it’s the only thing.

                          When COVID-19 finds a sweet spot – a cruise ship, a South Korean church, an Italian hospital – it can spread efficiently. And the bug has a nasty bite. But these are the exceptions and not the rule. The vast majority of infected people spread the disease to precisely no one.

                          Could the situation change? Could COVID-19 become a true pandemic with millions of cases and tens of thousands of deaths every day? Of course. The current situation in Italy particularly is concerning. But as the days pass and the global patterns stay the same, this becomes less and less likely.

                          I am not preaching complacency. This disease is not going away any time soon; we should expect more cases and more local outbreaks. And COVID-19 still has the potential to become a major global health problem, with an overall burden comparable to that of influenza. We need to be vigilant in our surveillance.

                          Symptomatic travellers from areas with active disease should be tested, as should all patients hospitalized with atypical pneumonia. People infected with COVID-19 need to be isolated, and their close contacts should be monitored.

                          But we also need to be sensible. Quarantine belongs back in the Middle Ages. Save your masks for robbing banks. Stay calm and carry on. Let’s not make our attempted cures worse than the disease.
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                          • That article was from March 11.

                            And "save your masks for robbing banks"? Thank but no thanks.
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                            • MixxAOR wrote: View Post
                              That article was from March 11.

                              And "save your masks for robbing banks"? Thank but no thanks.
                              Yeah, the authors opinion are not my own, let the record state I am in favor of spread prevention/mitigation.
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                              • KeonClark wrote: View Post

                                Yeah, the authors opinion are not my own, let the record state I am in favor of spread prevention/mitigation.
                                It definitely shows that trusting all of these experts needs to be taken with grain of salt. (and I mean ALL) Like golden said "disappointed in smart people"
                                Last edited by MixxAOR; Mon Apr 13, 2020, 03:22 PM.
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