Everything Coronavirus

[Miekenstien]

just saw this on crowder. compared to the protests in michigan. jesus christ, and whatever the sikhs equivalent blaspheme is.
https://zeenews.india.com/india/niha...a-2275815.html

[Joey]

then thank god they have a competent leader, who actually cares about the nation, and its people he is steward of.

Lol Oh Miek. Never change.

[Miekenstien]

Lots of acceptable state behavior here comrades.

[KeonClark]

Taken from Reddit. Facts, with links and sources, from u/L00MWeaver

1. According to data from the best-studied countries such as South Korea, Iceland, Germany and Denmark, the overall lethality of Covid19 is in the lower per mille range and thus up to twenty times lower than initially assumed by the WHO.
2. A study in Nature Medicine comes to a similar conclusion even for the Chinese city of Wuhan. The initially significantly higher values for Wuhan were obtained because a many people with mild or no symptoms were not recorded.
3. 50% to 80% of test-positive individuals remain symptom-free. Even among the 70 to 79 year old persons about 60% remain symptom-free, many more show only mild symptoms.
4. The median age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years and only about 1% of the deceased had no serious previous illnesses. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.
5. Many media reports of young and healthy people dying from Covid19 have proven to be false upon closer inspection. Many of these people either did not die from Covid19 or they in fact had serious preconditions (such as undiagnosed leukaemia).
6. Normal overall mortality in the US is about 8000 people per day, in Germany about 2600 people and in Italy about 1800 people per day. Influenza mortality in the US is up to 80,000, in Germany and Italy up to 25,000, and in Switzerland up to 1500 people per winter.
7. Strongly increased death rates, as in northern Italy, can be influenced by additional risk factors such as very high air pollution and microbial contamination as well as a collapse in the care of the elderly and sick due to mass panic and lockdown measures.
8. In countries such as Italy and Spain, and to some extent Great Britain and the US, a serious overload of hospitals, notably by the flu, is not unusual. In addition, up to 15% of doctors and nurses currently have to self-quarantine, even if they develop no symptoms.
9. An important distinction concerns the question of whether people die with or indeed from coronaviruses. Autopsies show that in many cases the previous illnesses were an important or decisive factor, but the official figures usually do not reflect this.
10. Thus in order to assess the danger of the disease, the key indicator is not the often mentioned number of test-positive persons and deceased, but the number of persons who actually and unexpectedly develop or die of pneumonia.
11. The often shown exponential curves of “corona cases” are misleading, since the number of tests also increases exponentially. In most countries, the ratio of positive tests to total tests either remains constant between 5% to 25% or increases rather slowly.
12. Countries without lockdowns and contact bans, such as Japan, South Korea and Sweden, have not experienced a more negative course of events than other countries. This might call into question the effectiveness of such far-reaching measures.
13. According to leading lung specialists, invasive ventilation of Covid19 patients is often counterproductive and causes additional damage to the lungs. The invasive ventilation of Covid19 patients is partly done out of fear of spreading the virus through aerosols.
14. Contrary to original assumptions, however, the WHO determined at the end of March that there is no evidence of aerosol dispersal of the virus. A leading German virologist also found no aerosol and no smear infections in a pilot study.
15. Many clinics in Europe and the US have been lacking patients and some have had to introduce short-time work. Numerous operations and therapies were cancelled by clinics, even emergency patients sometimes stay at home out of fear of the virus.
16. Several media have been caught trying to dramatize the situation in clinics, sometimes even with manipulative pictures and videos. In general, many media outlets do not question even doubtful official statements and figures.
17. The virus test kits used internationally are prone to errors. Several studies have shown that even normal corona viruses can give a false positive result. Moreover, the virus test currently in use has not been clinically validated due to time pressure.
18. Numerous internationally renowned experts from the fields of virology, immunology and epidemiology consider the measures taken to be counterproductive and recommend a rapid natural immunisation of the general population while protecting risk groups.
19. The number of people suffering from unemployment, psychological problems and domestic violence as a result of the measures taken has exploded in the US and worldwide. Several experts believe that the measures may claim more lives than the virus itself.
20. NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden warned that the corona crisis is used for the massive and permanent expansion of global surveillance. The renowned virologist Pablo Goldschmidt spoke of a “global media terror” and “totalitarian measures”. Leading British virologist Professor John Oxford spoke of a “media epidemic”.

[Rudy Bargnani]

Sounds like we can get Raptors face masks.

[S.R.]

On one level, the whole pandemic looks like one big Rorschach test. People are seeing what they want to see in it. Political partisans see everything wrong with the opposing party/wing they always saw. Conspiracy theorists see conspiracies. Snowden sees government surveillance. Nationalists see malevolent globalism and foreign perpetrators. Hippies see a crooked "sickcare" system. Etc.

Introvert gamers are happy though.

[KeonClark]

On one level, the whole pandemic looks like one big Rorschach test. People are seeing what they want to see in it. Political partisans see everything wrong with the opposing party/wing they always saw. Conspiracy theorists see conspiracies. Snowden sees government surveillance. Nationalists see malevolent globalism and foreign perpetrators. Hippies see a crooked "sickcare" system. Etc.

Introvert gamers are happy though.

I was never much of a conspiracy theorist before this. But this whole thing stinks to high heaven. Repeat after me: going outside is extremely dangerous to our democracy.

[golden]

Can't be a scardy-cat society forever. The reality is this will never go away completely, but with time, people will globally develop a natural immunity for this, the curve will be flat, risk will be lower etc.., People will then have to make a choice: continue to live cooped up in fear, or put this in the context of all the other perils that have been around for centuries and yet don't keep us from living a normal life.

The irony is that the scaredy-cat countries (Taiwan, Vietman, Singapore, Korea,...) who over-reacted like Chicken Littles right at the beginning are almost out of this first wave, and some of those scaredy-cats didn't even have to go into lockdown or close schools.

Lesson: if you're going to be a scaredy-cat, then do it early and go big.

[golden]

Going to have to move in the Singapore direction at some point here. People will be willing to sacrifice some (more?) personal freedoms to get the economy opening up again is my guess.

What's going to be dangerous is if the government gains control/authority and keeps it long term for the good of public health as a crisis response. 9/11 was terrible for that (in the name of public safety rather than public health).

Other than it being a royal pain to go through airports these days, does anybody really feel any dangerous effects to their civil liberties as a result of 9/11? I'm probably missing something obvious, but I can't really think of one.

[MixxAOR]

Let's go outside everybody they can't fine all of us LOL

[KeonClark]

Let's go outside everybody they can't fine all of us LOL

I'll follow you to the gates of hell with a few homemade jazz covers involved

[The Great One]

BC is doing it. We have flattened the curve. BC health officials are anticipating to begin lifting some restrictions in mid-May. One more month. They're also saying that there will be some sort of social distancing measures in place in the province until we get a vaccine. Which makes sense.

We need to keep doing what we're doing right now. Stay home, practice social distancing. We will get through this.

[bertarapsfan]

Other than it being a royal pain to go through airports these days, does anybody really feel any dangerous effects to their civil liberties as a result of 9/11? I'm probably missing something obvious, but I can't really think of one.

The patriot act

[golden]

The patriot act

Unless you're an anthrax dealer in the US, how has the Patriot Act truly impacted your life in a significant way ...... before and after 9/11?

[KeonClark]

Unless you're an anthrax dealer in the US, how has the Patriot Act truly impacted your life in a significant way ...... before and after 9/11?

wire taps

WTC 7

steel beams