Everything Coronavirus

[G__Deane]

Yeah that's being ignored and shoved under the carpet. It's the last thing they wanna talk about because that might put more public pressure into re-opening things, and the last thing they want here is protests demanding that.

Soon they won't be able to hide this anymore though. Amazon is considered an economic barometer for this - earlier on they were just focusing on delivery of essential goods, with the other things taking the back seat. Now they're already starting to open up for non -essential stuff.

I have had sinks, high end faucets, bed frames, sheet sets and shoes all delivered in the last week. Everything is being delivered, Canpar, UPS and FEDEX, Wayfair, Amazon, Walmart, all grocery stores, Shoppers Drug Mart etc all love the Corona Virus

[inthepaint]

I have had sinks, high end faucets, bed frames, sheet sets and shoes all delivered in the last week. Everything is being delivered, Canpar, UPS and FEDEX, Wayfair, Amazon, Walmart, all grocery stores, Shoppers Drug Mart etc all love the Corona Virus

Yes, Amazon never stopped delivering non-esssential goods, but up to last week, they had stopped third-party sellers from sending non-essential goods to their warehouses. That has now resumed, signalling they're no longer logistically prioritizing essential goods like they were before:

https://www.businessinsider.com/amaz...roducts-2020-4

[chris]

What I'm saying is, the daily new cases are about the same as they were 2 or 3 weeks ago. Therefore, wouldnt the number of active cases start flattening, rather than continually rising 10s of thousands a day?

for every new case, there should be as many recovered(or dead, grimly speaking)

Yeah it's called "cooking the books", to show just what they want to focus on

i very much doubt there's a grand conspiracy to "cook the books."

i have no idea but if i had to guess it's something like:

• many people get diagnosed but have relatively mild cases and are told to go home and quarantine for however many weeks. they recover fine on their own and never need to follow up.
• a small percentage have severe cases requiring hospitalization and either stay until they are cleared or medical professionals want to follow up to have them cleared after they've been discharged.
• an unknown percentage of mild cases (i would guess a relatively low percentage given test shortages, human nature, etc.) follow up on their own or get followed up on to be cleared.

is that out to lunch or is it more likely a media conspiracy?

[bertarapsfan]

B.C is doing a really good job of reporting recovery. My guess would be that each region just have a different method to this. Maybe they follow up with each person testing positive or test them again in 2 weeks.

[Puffer]

i very much doubt there's a grand conspiracy to "cook the books."

i have no idea but if i had to guess it's something like:

• many people get diagnosed but have relatively mild cases and are told to go home and quarantine for however many weeks. they recover fine on their own and never need to follow up.
• a small percentage have severe cases requiring hospitalization and either stay until they are cleared or medical professionals want to follow up to have them cleared after they've been discharged.
• an unknown percentage of mild cases (i would guess a relatively low percentage given test shortages, human nature, etc.) follow up on their own or get followed up on to be cleared.

is that out to lunch or is it more likely a media conspiracy?

As KHD noted above, the virus is far more widely spread than believed. They did widespread antibody testing in LA county recently, extrapolated the results to the total population (10 million) and determined "There have been 600 deaths in the County, and somewhere between 221,000 and 442,000 adults have been infected. That is a CFR (mortality rate) between .27% and .14%."

This is far lower than the speculated and predicted mortality rate of 2-7% based on the models used to guide government reactions. I am not complaining here about government actions, but pointing out the critical importance of not having enough data. Governments need to act. But these errors will be repeated for any future pandemics, or other emergency (climate change). If you don't have adequate data then your computer modelling is going to be a joke. If your computer models are consistently wrong (the one used to predict the COVID-19 deaths that precipitated UK and USA and Canadian responses predicted 136 thousand deaths due to mad cow disease in the UK) then your data is wrong. You need the capability for widespread evidence gathering so you don't feed garbage into your computer model. GIGO.

[G__Deane]

Holy crap.....

BREAKING NEWS Draganfly’s ‘Pandemic Drone’ technology Conducts Initial Flights Near New York City to Detect COVID-19 Symptoms and Identify Social Distancing Connecticut hotspot becomes first U.S. municipality to test drone technology to assist first responders in reducing coronavirus spread and mitigate future health emergencies Los Angeles, CA and Westport, CT – April 21, 2020 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) – Draganfly Inc. (CSE: DFLY / OTCQB: DFLYF / FSE: 3U8) (“Draganfly” or the “Company”), an award-winning, industry-leading manufacturer within the commercial Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (“UAV”), Remotely Piloted Aircraft Systems (“RPAS”), and unmanned vehicle sector, today announced the first ever series of U.S. ‘pandemic drone’ test flights in Westport, Connecticut, considered a COVID-19 ‘hotspot’, to identify social distancing and detect symptoms presented by the virus, in an effort to keep the community safe. Fairfield County, Connecticut is considered the epicenter in the State for the spread of the Coronavirus and Westport was the first town to report the most cases of infections. To date, there are more than 17,550 confirmed cases in Connecticut. Fairfield County is adjacent to New York City, which has the most confirmed cases of coronavirus in the U.S. – more than 138,500 – surpassing the number of confirmed cases reported in China's Hubei province, where the outbreak originated. Draganfly’s new pandemic drone technology is being tested by the Westport Police Department as a new “Flatten the Curve Pilot Program” and is made possible by the collaboration and integration of technologies developed by Draganfly, Vital Intelligence Inc., a healthcare data services and deep learning company, and the University of South Australia (UniSA). Westport is deploying the technology and data tools to enhance town services, advance public safety, promote the efficient use of taxpayer dollars, engage residents, and encourage growth in the local economy. The pandemic drone will be equipped with a specialized sensor and computer vision systems that can display fever/temperature, heart and respiratory rates, as well as detect people sneezing and coughing in crowds, and wherever groups of people may work or congregate. The technology can accurately detect infectious conditions from a distance of 190 feet as well as measure social distancing for proactive public safety practices. “The Westport Police Department is one of the most progressive public safety agencies in the nation and real pioneers when it comes to adopting and integrating new technology to enhance the safety of their citizens and first responders,” said Cameron Chell, CEO of Draganfly. “This coronavirus pandemic has opened up a new frontier for advanced drones. In conjunction with our partners, including the town of Westport, together we are the first in the U.S. to implement this state-of-the-art technology to analyze data in a way that has been peer reviewed and clinically researched to save lives.” Westport intends to use the drone technology to help protect potential at-risk groups, such as seniors, crowds gathering at the town and state-owned beaches, train stations, parks and recreation areas, shopping centers and other areas where people tend to gather. “One of the major problems for cities and towns like Westport in managing and responding to a pandemic like the COVID-19 virus, is finding out who could be infected and how widespread the disease has spread,” said Westport First Selectman, Jim Marpe. “One way to do this is to look for underlying symptoms. By teaming up with Draganfly and the UniSA team led by Defence Chair of Sensor Systems Professor Javaan Chahl, we are able to remotely look at valuable lifesaving data and better manage current and future health emergencies.” The Westport Police Department launched its drone program in early 2016 under the guidance of the Department’s Federal Aviation Administration-certified drone pilot, Captain Ryan Paulsson. Originally used to support its dive team operations to better assist in locating submerged objects or victims, Westport Police Department quickly realized the program’s potential for other missions and soon expanded its use for accident investigation, documentation of scenes, search and rescue, public works projects, and pre-event planning. “The Westport Police Department along with first responders around the world are looking for effective ways to ease the spread of COVID-19 and keep their communities safe,” said Westport Chief of Police, Foti Koskinas. “This technology not only enhances the safety of our officers and the public, but the concept of using drones remains a go-to technology for reaching the most remote areas with little to no manpower needed. It also helps our officers acquire decision quality data they need to make the best choices in any given situation.” Captain Paulsson said, “We are modeling the future of drone integration in public safety by utilizing Draganfly’s technology as first responders. We are honored to be the first law enforcement deployments in the country of this technology that will shape the future of public safety drone integration in the U.S.” Draganfly‘s pandemic drone software uses biometric readings in its analysis process and does not employ facial recognition technology. Rather, the software is used to understand patterns within a population to allow users to react quicker to ongoing events or new potential health threats. Its deep learning algorithms can quickly detect symptoms such as sneezing and coughing, high blood pressure and rapid heartbeats in order to make a diagnosis of disease. The COVID-19 global pandemic is unparalleled and has caused many countries to impose travel bans, self-imposed quarantine periods and social distancing, causing disruption to business globally and resulting in economic slowdowns. Early detection is the best protection. Advanced technology and tools like the Draganfly pandemic drone which was deployed with speed in the interest of public safety without the acceptance of compensation for the initial test exists to remotely detect illness and help government and healthcare professionals better protect human life before, during and after a crisis. About University of South Australia The University of South Australia (UniSA) is a public research university in the Australian state of South Australia. It is a founding member of the Australian Technology Network of universities and is the largest university in South Australia with approximately 32,000 students. UniSA is among the world's top universities, ranked in the World's Top 50 Under 50 by both the Quacarelli Symonds (QS) World University Ranking (#25) and Times Higher Education (THE) (#26). Under the University's Act, its original mission was "to preserve, extend and disseminate knowledge through teaching, research, scholarship and consultancy, and to provide educational programs that will enhance the diverse cultural life of the wider community". About Draganfly Draganfly Inc. (CSE: DFLY / OTCQB: DFLYF / FSE: 3U8) is the creator of quality, cutting-edge, UVS and software that revolutionizes the way people do business. Recognized as being at the forefront of technology for over 22 years, Draganfly is an award-winning, industry-leading manufacturer within the commercial UAV and UVS space, serving the public safety, agriculture, industrial inspections and mapping and surveying markets. 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[Puffer]

First step toward "Skynet?"

[KeonClark]

Sweden is claiming theyve nearly plateaued, also claiming certain regions will have achieved herd immunity by next month. Incredible.

they have stopped sports and mass gatherings, as well as closed universities. Everything else has remained open and theyve continued to support local small business, while respecting social distance. They do work from home when they can etc.

https://www.bloombergquint.com/globa...ving-effective

[inthepaint]

i very much doubt there's a grand conspiracy to "cook the books."

i have no idea but if i had to guess it's something like:

• many people get diagnosed but have relatively mild cases and are told to go home and quarantine for however many weeks. they recover fine on their own and never need to follow up.
• a small percentage have severe cases requiring hospitalization and either stay until they are cleared or medical professionals want to follow up to have them cleared after they've been discharged.
• an unknown percentage of mild cases (i would guess a relatively low percentage given test shortages, human nature, etc.) follow up on their own or get followed up on to be cleared.

is that out to lunch or is it more likely a media conspiracy?

There's no conspiracy per se, it's just that the government in many jurisdictions have zero incentive right now to show the recovered number because that won't fit their message to continue to stay home. They're choosing not to show the whole picture so their message is more effective. That's not a grand conspiracy or anything, but it's a form of public misinformation.

This is one of the most well documented and tracked diseases in history. It came in the age of peak big-data. They could totally account for and report recovered cases emphatically if they wanted to. They know how long it stays with a person. If a positive case is recorded (which they're happy to report), and 2-3 weeks later there's no hospital record or death certificate for that person, then by default it's a recovery.

There are millions worldwide on this column, and hundreds of thousands enter on it every single day. That's a 'dangerous' number to report if you want people to continue to accept a shut-down because:
1. All recoveries have now developed a natural immunity for it, putting them out of the transmission picture and making the spread more difficult (strengthen of what epidemiologists call "herd immunity")
2. A large, growing number of recoveries push the true mortality/hospital rate much lower than anticipated. That rate is shaping up to be between 0.14% to 0.27% like Puffer indicated a few posts above, a lot lower than many models anticipated. When you correct that for deaths over the local life expectancy, co-conditions, and true cause of death, that's likely even lower.

If that gets too much attention though, you'll have a lot more people asking "why the heck am I still not allowed to work?".

[Zak24gege]

my hospital (non-GTA) is currently a ghost town. we are going to get overwhelmed not by COVID patients but by the flood of elective procedures that were postponed. Not to mention the influx of people that were too afraid to go to the hospital when they should have.

I'm not saying we made an error with distancing measures in the beginning, when we didn't know how severe things would become. but we are seriously underusing our resources now while people quietly suffer from all varieties of non-COVID ailments. This is becoming unethical very quickly in my opinion.

Our officials have quietly morphed the message from "prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed" to "extinguish the virus". The latter is impossible and will have worse effects than the virus itself.

Given that toronto and the rest of Ontario have very different epidemiological curves, it's pretty infeasible to continue a province-wide policy. ,

Also, considering the building evidence of huge undetected spread (case counts on the order of 50-100x confirmed in many places), there is no further chance at containment (as if there ever was).

in the medium-long term we need a middle ground approach. Implement strong infection prevention strategies in LTC homes (universal staff PPE, screening tests, etc) while slowly re-opening the general society with a significant overall reduction in contact with strangers. small gatherings and businesses allowed, but no big events.

Our Regional Health Unit which covers ~ 200,000 people and includes 4 hospitals, is reporting a cumulative total of 70 COVID-19 cases and only 1 in the past 5 days. Currently, of the 5 hospitalizations 3 are in ICU. My local hospital is at 60% capacity, it's ER beds are empty. The wave of Covid-19 hospitalizations did not happen. It's time to start opening up these important resources to serve the public. How many lives were lost due to delay in treatment or cancelling or deferment of surgeries? The hospitals have been sending home patients prematurely putting the burden on the community health care system. Locally there is plenty of praise going towards health care workers sitting in empty hospitals whereas it's the community health care workers that are dealing with all of the early discharges that deserve the praise. This best way to support this region is to start by opening up not only the hospitals, but small business as well. Keep the distancing / masks etc in place, it's time to start opening up! Now, some regions may need to keep stay at home policies in place due to higher number of cases, however to require every region, or province to wait until say a city 2000 miles away gets their numbers down is ridiculous and will result in economic disaster with no benefit gained.

[G__Deane]

My city had 1 case (yes one) about 6 weeks ago and not one since.
Although I still think they did the right thing, here we sit lining up outside grocery stores, lining up outside banks, hardware stores closed except for curbside delivery, millions of people laid off and missing mortgage and car payments that could take months or years to catch up on and active cases in Canada have just reached 1/10 of 1% of the population.

Number of people who have died who were under 80 with no other health complications? Statistically infinitesimal.

Hopefully one good thing that can come out of this mess is people learn to wash their hands more regularly, cough in their sleeves or Kleenex, stay/work from home home if feeling unwell and shelve all unnecessary meetings some management is so well known for.

I think we'll be back to small offices, small restaurants, small service businesses open under reduced freedoms in the next 3-6 weeks. And they should be.

[KeonClark]

Its unfortunate that the lockdown debate has once again been turned into a partisan issue by media and politicians. Apparently reopen stuff equals conservative, stay locked down is liberal, with no room for context and middle ground.

we need to do BOTH. "Get back to normalcy" does not have to mean everybody run into a crowded tight space and swap spit. It means, give our local economy a fighting chance. We are going to lose lives to Corona whether we open stuff tomorrow, July, September, or 2022. But our entrepreneurs and self made workers die a little more every day, and those piddly cheques the government sends to Becky the bar server will do little to help the small business owners.

[Miekenstien]

My city had 1 case (yes one) about 6 weeks ago and not one since.
Although I still think they did the right thing, here we sit lining up outside grocery stores, lining up outside banks, hardware stores closed except for curbside delivery, millions of people laid off and missing mortgage and car payments that could take months or years to catch up on and active cases in Canada have just reached 1/10 of 1% of the population.

Number of people who have died who were under 80 with no other health complications? Statistically infinitesimal.

Hopefully one good thing that can come out of this mess is people learn to wash their hands more regularly, cough in their sleeves or Kleenex, stay/work from home home if feeling unwell and shelve all unnecessary meetings some management is so well known for.

I think we'll be back to small offices, small restaurants, small service businesses open under reduced freedoms in the next 3-6 weeks. And they should be.

"waiting in line for food is a good thing"

[Miekenstien]

this is a long video, 40 minutes. pretty much sums up that our rights are essential, and not just suggestions and treats from the government.

it makes sense to me.
liquor store=essential
weed store=essential
for profit abortion clinics=essential
right to assemble=meh
right to worship=meh
right to protest=meh

a quick understanding of this means that the he/she stuff is all bunk.

[inthepaint]

"waiting in line for food is a good thing"

That video is unrelated to this thread (coronavirus)