Everything Coronavirus

[Apollo]

but... what about people who went homeless tho... lost their businesses and so on

losing sense of purpose in life is incredibly difficult

if infected by coronavirus, the person is likely to have purpose in a sense that the person would want to survive

but if you lose ur business and place to stay without much hope moving forward, isn't that devastating

The difference is that you're still alive and presumably healthy. You can rebuild. Those around you in the community are also healthy, they can rebuild.

COVID19 is a once in a millenium historical event. This isn't the new norm, this is our generation's great pain and challenge that we must endure and overcome. Past generations last century typically didn't get through Spanish Flu, WWI and WWII unscathed. There were gigantic prices to be paid both in life, health, community and finance.

Extraordinary times call for extraordinary responses.

[Kawhisexual]

The difference is that you're still alive and presumably healthy. You can rebuild. Those around you in the community are also healthy, they can rebuild.

COVID19 is a once in a millenium historical event. This isn't the new norm, this is our generation's great pain and challenge that we must endure and overcome. Past generations last century typically didn't get through Spanish Flu, WWI and WWII unscathed. There were gigantic prices to be paid both in life, health, community and finance. Extraordinary times call for extraordinary responses.

Speaking of history, the people during black plague and great plague of london literally risked their life and put everything they had to fight against the lockdown laws, because at least back then it was really evident that chances of dying from lockdown was much much higher

I find it really ironic that today, we have people who are risking their life to fight for the lockdown

Either way, we aren't gonna get vaccinated this year and the economy is going to open anyways, because governments know that economic damage is far greater than the physical damages from coronavirus itself

[MixxAOR]

Speaking of history, the people during black plague and great plague of london literally risked their life and put everything they had to fight against the lockdown laws, because at least back then it was really evident that chances of dying from lockdown was much much higher

I find it really ironic that today, we have people who are risking their life to fight for the lockdown

Either way, we aren't gonna get vaccinated this year and the economy is going to open anyways, because governments know that economic damage is far greater than the physical damages from coronavirus itself

There's no definite proof of that.

[Apollo]

there is absolutely no way we can get vaccine on time, maybe not even this year

at the same time, the economy will open anyways because every countries understand that lockdown has already caused more damage than the coronavirus itself

This year? Cross your fingers for NEXT year.

Countries will not go back to the old norm with this ravaging the world. It would lead to horrific death numbers, people dying who could have been saved if the health care system wasn't overrun. Picture yourself watching a loved one drowning from their own body fluids and then tell me what's more important, your investment portfolio of your loved one.

Even if they did reopen, the cats out of the bag. Too many people know too much to play ball like before. This isn't over until there's a cure or a vaccine.

[Kawhisexual]

There's no definite proof of that.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/scie...Sz_AjabowZq2Dg

cherry on top history says that lockdown did not make any difference in infection rates

[Kawhisexual]

This year? Cross your fingers for NEXT year.

Countries will not go back to the old norm with this ravaging the world. It would lead to horrific death numbers, people dying who could have been saved if the health care system wasn't overrun. Picture yourself watching a loved one drowning from their own body fluids and then tell me what's more important, your investment portfolio of your loved one.

Even if they did reopen, the cats out of the bag. Too many people know too much to play ball like before. This isn't over until there's a cure or a vaccine.

according to the experts, coronavirus varies from person to person, because it comes down to the person's immune system

which is why the Dr. Fauci himself said that it was ok to go ahead and meet their dates from Tinder lol

the experts also claimed that most of times, coronavirus wouldn't even show any symptoms

so wouldn't it make more sense for people to go back to work, raise taxes and use that tax money on protecting the people with low immune system

[MixxAOR]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/scie...Sz_AjabowZq2Dg

cherry on top history says that lockdown did not make any difference in infection rates

https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-th...tancing-works/

and this article shows that during spanish flu city that did the lockdown and one that threw a parade had totally different outcomes.

[MixxAOR]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/scie...Sz_AjabowZq2Dg

cherry on top history says that lockdown did not make any difference in infection rates

Unfortunately in the case of plague the disease travelled with fleas and rats who could not be quarantined. But during very serious epidemics shutting up became very problematic.

well this is completely different issue from today.

[Apollo]

according to the experts, coronavirus varies from person to person, because it comes down to the person's immune system

which is why the Dr. Fauci himself said that it was ok to go ahead and meet their dates from Tinder lol

the experts also claimed that most of times, coronavirus wouldn't even show any symptoms

so wouldn't it make more sense for people to go back to work, raise taxes and use that tax money on protecting the people with low immune system

Experts are claiming a lot of things they need to backtrack on later. Some of these experts have political motives. You're citing Donald Trump's cabinet medical adviser for instance. Think about that for a moment.

Scientific studies suggest it attacks the immune system in similar ways as HIV. Science suggests it attacks the lungs, the heart, the brain, the liver, etc. If you "recover" from the first bout they don't even know whether you truely gain immunity from further infections.

Claims are not facts unless they're backed by science and there are a bunch of scientists out there who appear to have no horse in the game who are saying this virus is incredibly dangerous, they know little about it but what they do know is quite troubling.

[Kawhisexual]

https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-th...tancing-works/

and this article shows that during spanish flu city that did the lockdown and one that threw a parade had totally different outcomes.

very interesting. Not this article but most articles do confirm that Spanish flu came from army camps, it was during times of WW1 after all

maybe history repeats itself :s

[Kawhisexual]

Experts are claiming a lot of things they need to backtrack on later. Some of these experts have political motives. You're citing Donald Trump's cabinet medical adviser for instance. Think about that for a moment.

Scientific studies suggest it attacks the immune system in similar ways as HIV. Science suggests it attacks the lungs, the heart, the brain, the liver, etc. If you "recover" from the first bout they don't even know whether you truely gain immunity from further infections.

Claims are not facts unless they're backed by science and there are a bunch of scientists out there who appear to have no horse in the game who are saying this virus is incredibly dangerous, they know little about it but what they do know is quite troubling.

so I guess it comes down to the person's personal beliefs

ps trump and fauci very much clashes against one another when it comes to beliefs

Trump wants to open the economy, while Fauci argues we shouldn't

[Apollo]

so I guess it comes down to the person's personal beliefs

That's what things usually come down to anyway. The little science we have on COVID19 is that it is much more dangerous than a simple flu that you catch, fight off and are done with. This goes after the vital organs and the immune system. Recovery is currently defined as no symptoms and no detection of the virus. What of internal damage? No easily found comprehensive statistics on that, is there? Just life and death and do not look over that hill.

[Kawhisexual]

That's what things usually come down to anyway. The little science we have on COVID19 is that it is much more dangerous than a simple flu that you catch, fight off and are done with. This goes after the vital organs and the immune system. Recovery is currently defined as no symptoms and no detection of the virus. What of internal damage? No easily found comprehensive statistics on that, is there? Just life and death and do not look over that hill.

there are way too many conflicting scientific datas out there, it really comes down to who you want to believe

but I am convinced that most ball players like ourselves will have no symptoms just like Donovan Mitchell

[inthepaint]

There is so much inevitability to these deaths in nursing homes. The life expectancy for people entering them is measured in months to begin with and they're staffed at truly insane ratios (1 RN to supervise an entire staff of PSWs taking care of 5-10 people each). People who work there are given little training or equipment for infection control. Those who have worked in these places are not surprised by what's happening.

Frankly speaking the death warrant for these people was signed over a long period of time by many politicians. We've been fucking these places up for years.

Meanwhile, everyone else can't even throw a frisbee in an open field because the politicians know it's political suicide to admit what is obvious - the virus is already becoming endemic and is going to kill a good portion of those in care homes due to previous failures, not current actions.

Good point on the LTC homes. I know this sounds cold, but the fact that a large number of individuals are passing away near the end of their life expectancy is nothing new. The virus didn't create any of the LTC homes realities, it just put a spotlight on it.

I'll say this neither criticizing or endorsing it, just stating a fact: We live in a western society where culturally we outsource the care of our elderly, rather than live in multigenerational households and do it ourselves. Should the standard of care be better in certain LTC places? Absolutely. But that would also increase the cost of said care, either directly or through tax if it was public, and we, as a society and individually, would have to be okay with it, if that's what we wanted.

It's not a quick-fix thing, and although part of it, it's not as simple as "blame it on the government". Most of us will be 80+ one day. We have to start recognizing that compared to past generations we now enter the workforce later, often retire later, and live longer. Gotta adjust our money/careers to that. Public standards can and should improve, but again, also cold but truth: the more financially stable we are when we're 80+, the better our shot is at getting into a better LTC home.

The Coronavirus has nothing to do with any of that. However, its numbers get significantly inflated by nursing home deaths (which are folks that regrettably were close to passing away anyway). Those inflated numbers are then reported every day, out context, lumped in with all other cases. Scared of these inflated numbers, we shut our whole society down. Then we spend 530+ billion in 4 months to pay for said shut down, rather than invest 530B in our health care system, which would significantly improve the healthcare of all Canadians for years to come (including the elderly).

[MixxAOR]

https://globalnews.ca/news/6910721/c...ad-pittsburgh/

U.S. researcher ‘on verge of making very significant’ coronavirus findings shot dead: reports

A professor working on coronavirus research was found shot dead Saturday inside a home in Pittsburgh, Pa., according to news reports.

Bing Liu, 37, was found in a home in Ross Township, the Allegheny County medical examiner said, per NBC News.

Liu suffered wounds to his head, neck, torso and extremities, CNN says.