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S.R. wrote: View Post
I'm always a bit skeptical of the Bill Russell rankings. He was great, no doubt, it's just that "for his era" is pretty significant context in his case. The league was small. It's like Original 6 hockey records or Grey Cups. There was just so much less peer competition, it's really hard to compare results (11 titles in 13 years!) against later eras.
That said I wasn't there and didn't see him.
the competition is a valid point but there were 14 teams in the league at the end of his run, which is not quite like original 6 NHL. (there were 8 teams when he entered the league).
and he owned the era's best player's, from bob petit at the start of his career to wilt chamberlain for the rest of his career.
maybe that's unimpressive, but wilt still has the most ridiculous raw numbers of any era and had the size and athleticism to ragdoll just about any big man that's ever played (see size comparisons to well known big men below).
i would still rank him 2nd probably. both would have dominated any era they played in i think
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The Great One wrote: View PostTop 10 - where's Hakeem? another unpopular opinion: Hakeem is better than Shaq and Kobe.
Kobe was lucky to be on great teams with great teammates. The down years in LA between Shaq and Pau were pretty bad, most guys at the top level don't let their teams drop as far as the Lakers did in those years. 34 W's (missed playoffs), 45 W's (first round out), 42 W's (missed playoffs) right in Kobe's prime - the other greats just didn't let that happen.
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Sonny wrote: View PostThoughts on this all time rankings? Kawhi already a top 25 player of all time? Pippen #21? ahead of guys like Isiah, Iverson, Harden, Westbrook? Durant #14? Giannis #27? Isiah #31?
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-all-nos-40-11
As for the bolded part - 100% Pippen is better than all those guys lol. Westbrook and Harden are the most overrated players of this generation. What have they won? what has Iverson won? Pippen in his prime was a 20+ppg scorer, great rebounder/playmaker and is in the "greatest defensive player of all time" conversation. And oh, he has 6 rings.
Harden #32? way, way too high. Where's Klay Thompson? This is a hill that I will die on. Klay Thompson is the best SG in basketball, been sayin this for years. He is way better than Harden. But if you only care about scoring and not showing up when it matters the most, then sure Harden's your guy.
Top 10 - where's Hakeem? another unpopular opinion: Hakeem is better than Shaq and Kobe.
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Sonny wrote: View PostThoughts on this all time rankings? Kawhi already a top 25 player of all time? Pippen #21? ahead of guys like Isiah, Iverson, Harden, Westbrook? Durant #14? Giannis #27? Isiah #31?
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-all-nos-40-11
I'm always a bit skeptical of the Bill Russell rankings. He was great, no doubt, it's just that "for his era" is pretty significant context in his case. The league was small. It's like Original 6 hockey records or Grey Cups. There was just so much less peer competition, it's really hard to compare results (11 titles in 13 years!) against later eras.
That said I wasn't there and didn't see him.
Curry might be too low. Durant joining them ruined his shot at real GOAT legacy status. But Curry's impact on the game as a whole was Shaq-like. It's the level of player that causes opposing teams to reinvent themselves, at both ends of the floor and in roster construction, just to try to compete with you. Only the very top tier guys have that kind of impact, and Curry has had that kind of impact.
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Kobe is too high.. I think he's pretty overrated. Hakeem is too low.. He's in my top 10, ahead of Shaq. I don't mind Curry's spot. Kawhi is a bit over rated too. Same with Giannis. A lot of recency bias with those two.
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KeonClark wrote: View Post
Top 10 is well ranked i think. From there, its splitting hairs. Even I'm suprised how high they have curry (13), and I pump his tires here most than most, a lot of you think hes overrated. But I love how they have him one spot ahead if KD, super petty and they knew it will bug kevin lol
also think lebron should be 4th behind russell and kareem but i am a hater
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planetmars wrote: View PostI love how they spell Giannis' last name wrong. Classic.
What Scouts Say: "I wouldn't touch him," a Western Conference executive said. "I don't even know how good he is going to be once he reaches his potential."
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Sonny wrote: View PostThoughts on this all time rankings? Kawhi already a top 25 player of all time? Pippen #21? ahead of guys like Isiah, Iverson, Harden, Westbrook? Durant #14? Giannis #27? Isiah #31?
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-all-nos-40-11
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Thoughts on this all time rankings? Kawhi already a top 25 player of all time? Pippen #21? ahead of guys like Isiah, Iverson, Harden, Westbrook? Durant #14? Giannis #27? Isiah #31?
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-all-nos-40-11
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Well that pick was traded for Lowry. It's a judgement call to say it was a bad trade at that time. Lowry is the GROAT after all.
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Incidentally, Giannis was drafted in the 2013 draft year. That was the Anthony Bennett draft.... And Giannis went 15th!
Look at the garbage that went before him .... Toronto had traded away the 12th pick or could have had him....hindsight 20/20 lol
1. Cleveland: Anthony Bennett, F, UNLV
2. Orlando: Victor Oladipo, G, Indiana
3. Washington: Otto Porter, F, Georgetown
4. Charlotte: Cody Zeller, F, Indiana
5. Phoenix: Alex Len, C, Maryland
6. Philadelphia (from New Orleans): Nerlens Noel, C, Kentucky
7. Sacramento: Ben McLemore, G, Kansas
8. Detroit: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, G, Georgia
9. Utah (from Minnesota): Trey Burke, G, Michigan
10. Portland: C.J. McCollum, G, Lehigh
11. Philadelphia: Michael Carter-Williams, G, Syracuse
12. Oklahoma City (from Toronto via Houston): Steven Adams, C, Pittsburgh
13. Boston (from Dallas): Kelly Olynyk, C, Gonzaga
14. Minnesota (from Utah): Shabazz Muhammad, F, UCLA
15. Milwaukee: Giannis Adetokunbo, F, Greece
16. Atlanta (from Dallas via Boston): Lucas Nogueira, C, Brazil
17. Atlanta: Dennis Schroeder, G, Germany
18. Dallas (from Atlanta via Houston, Brooklyn): Shane Larkin, G, Miami
19. Cleveland (from Los Angeles Lakers): Sergey Karasev, F, Russia 20. Chicago: Tony Snell,G, New Mexico
21. Minnesota (from Utah via Golden State, Brooklyn): Gorgui Dieng, C, Louisville
22. Brooklyn: Mason Plumlee, C, Duke
23. Indiana: Solomon Hill, F, Arizona
24. New York: Tim Hardaway Jr., G, Michigan
25. Los Angeles Clippers: Reggie Bullock, F, UNC
26. Oklahoma City, (from Golden State via Memphis, Houston, Minnesota): Andre Roberson, F, Colorado
27. Utah (from Denver): Rudy Gobert, C, France
28. San Antonio: Livio Jean-Charles, F, France
29. Phoenix (from Golden State via Oklahoma City): Archie Goodwin, G, Kentucky
30. Golden State (from Phoenix via Miami, LAL, Cleveland): Nemanja Nedovic, G, Serbia
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