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  • The Raptors had a bunch of things better than this Clippers team but in particular they had a cemented cohesive unit that they added Kawhi into. The Clipper had no foundation.

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    • golden wrote: View Post

      Off-shore bank accounts, just for starters.
      Conspiracy theorist or full explanation with evidence.

      Also he's not the only super rich NBA team owner.

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      • Puffer wrote: View Post
        Does this do anything to the suggestion that all you need in the center's role is a $5 million role player? Jokic is a smart and skilled big man. Maybe they still have a place in the league.
        Great question.

        Jokic killed them, but Clippers couldn't score last night. Apparently players were asking to come out of the game in the 4th cause they were so tired. One of the main principles of small ball making bigs obsolete is scoring at a pace which doesn't allow the bigger (slower) team to keep up. Clippers weren't going to do that shooting 3's the way they did.

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        • Apollo wrote: View Post
          The Raptors had a bunch of things better than this Clippers team but in particular they had a cemented cohesive unit that they added Kawhi into. The Clipper had no foundation.
          Not really. 4 of our 5 full-time starters were different than the year before. Lowry was the only holdover from the 2017-18 starting unit. Kawhi was load managing most of the season, which messed up chemistry and Gasol joined the team after the all-star break. The continuity excuse from Doc Rivers is pretty lame.

          The main difference is that Nurse >>>> Doc Rivers. Nurse thrives under adversity and his players take on the same mindset. The other difference, like Kawhi correctly pointed out, is the super high IQ of the Raptors starting unit + FVV. The high IQ allows you to get that chemistry faster... it doesn't take years. Jokic and Murray are also very high IQ players.

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          • Apollo wrote: View Post
            The Raptors had a bunch of things better than this Clippers team but in particular they had a cemented cohesive unit that they added Kawhi into. The Clipper had no foundation.
            We did add Kawhi and Danny from the trade and then traded for Gasol mid-season, so it wasn't exactly the same team from the year before, but the Raptors made it work because they had high IQ players that played with heart. You could tell the Raptors slowly started becoming a cohesive unit as the Playoffs went on, they got better and better.

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            • The Clippers are the NY Jets of the NBA lol.

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              • LJ2 wrote: View Post

                Balmer has the deepest pockets among NBA owners. He'll make sure they find a way to bring back a better roster next season, but that improvement will have to come via trade. I doubt Raptors would get involved, but who knows.
                Ballmer has deep pockets and so did the new Nets owner and this isn't done yet (they've got another season) but the Clippers may have just Nets'd themselves the same way Brooklyn did with Pierce/Garnett/Deron.

                Can we give Masai one more standing o for knowing when to pull back during all the Kawhi drama last offseason?
                "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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                • Apollo wrote: View Post
                  The Raptors had a bunch of things better than this Clippers team but in particular they had a cemented cohesive unit that they added Kawhi into. The Clipper had no foundation.
                  That Clippers team does not have enough winners on it and that was evidenced all season, never mind in these guys individual careers. All of a sudden Lou Williams was supposed to be a team leader and championship lynchpin? Montrez Harrel? These guys were fun role players on a not very good team and have never been much more than that their entire careers. And Paul George looks like an MVP for about a 1/4 of his NBA career, a regular All Star for about half of it, and a disappearing act for the other 1/4.

                  A lot of "Heart of a champion" jokes after Raptors/Celtics, the Clippers have none of what the Raptors/Celtics/Heat/Nuggets have. No grit, no drive to win before anything else, no chemistry or synergy.

                  The bubble drama was a huge warning flag. Clippers had a rough season with guys in and out of the lineup, they get a 3 month break, come back to play ball and....go out for chicken wings? Did any team look less committed than them? The Phoenix Suns tried harder.

                  All that is not going to change next year. The Clippers don't have It. They have the talent to look great every now and then, but I don't think those guys put in the work next year either.
                  "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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                  • Jamychal Green and Pat Bev both outplayed Paul George last night. Imagine that.

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                    • Sonny wrote: View Post
                      The Clippers are the NY Jets of the NBA lol.
                      That is so disrespectful to the Jets.

                      1. New York is not just about the Giants. The Jets actually have a huge/loyal followers. In LA it's all about the Lakers, nobody gives a shit about the Flippers.

                      2. The Jets have a Super Bowl they can brag about. The Flippers on the other hand have never made it past the 2nd round. 50 years. Never made it past the 2nd round. Think about that.

                      The Flippers are the worst sports franchise in North America. It's not even really close.
                      Last edited by The Great One; Wed Sep 16th, 2020, 10:50 AM.
                      Mamba Mentality

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                      • The Denver Nuggets are the Kansas City Chiefs
                        "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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                        • Puffer wrote: View Post
                          Does this do anything to the suggestion that all you need in the center's role is a $5 million role player? Jokic is a smart and skilled big man. Maybe they still have a place in the league.
                          The way I see it, the small-ball and pace and space leads to bad-to-average centers getting played off the floor. But you still need good centers to win, and great ones still dominate, and in the case of Jokic, going against smaller teams works to his advantage

                          It’s easier to be a bad defensive guard than a bad defensive big, especially in the playoffs
                          Last edited by 7; Wed Sep 16th, 2020, 11:01 AM.
                          The name's Bond, James Bond.

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                          • My superiority complex this morning rivals Paul George.

                            All hail the new Canadian basketball god!

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                            • S.R. wrote: View Post

                              That Clippers team does not have enough winners on it and that was evidenced all season, never mind in these guys individual careers. All of a sudden Lou Williams was supposed to be a team leader and championship lynchpin? Montrez Harrel? These guys were fun role players on a not very good team and have never been much more than that their entire careers. And Paul George looks like an MVP for about a 1/4 of his NBA career, a regular All Star for about half of it, and a disappearing act for the other 1/4.

                              A lot of "Heart of a champion" jokes after Raptors/Celtics, the Clippers have none of what the Raptors/Celtics/Heat/Nuggets have. No grit, no drive to win before anything else, no chemistry or synergy.

                              The bubble drama was a huge warning flag. Clippers had a rough season with guys in and out of the lineup, they get a 3 month break, come back to play ball and....go out for chicken wings? Did any team look less committed than them? The Phoenix Suns tried harder.

                              All that is not going to change next year. The Clippers don't have It. They have the talent to look great every now and then, but I don't think those guys put in the work next year either.
                              JVG called them "front-runners" in Game 6. That basically sums it all up in one phrase. As soon as adversity hits, they folded.

                              That mentality started the minute they got Kawhi.



                              It's weird how fast they went from scrappy underdogs the year before, to entitled jackasses this year.


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                              • S.R. wrote: View Post

                                That Clippers team does not have enough winners on it and that was evidenced all season, never mind in these guys individual careers. All of a sudden Lou Williams was supposed to be a team leader and championship lynchpin? Montrez Harrel? These guys were fun role players on a not very good team and have never been much more than that their entire careers. And Paul George looks like an MVP for about a 1/4 of his NBA career, a regular All Star for about half of it, and a disappearing act for the other 1/4.

                                A lot of "Heart of a champion" jokes after Raptors/Celtics, the Clippers have none of what the Raptors/Celtics/Heat/Nuggets have. No grit, no drive to win before anything else, no chemistry or synergy.

                                The bubble drama was a huge warning flag. Clippers had a rough season with guys in and out of the lineup, they get a 3 month break, come back to play ball and....go out for chicken wings? Did any team look less committed than them? The Phoenix Suns tried harder.

                                All that is not going to change next year. The Clippers don't have It. They have the talent to look great every now and then, but I don't think those guys put in the work next year either.
                                Yes but a lot of the team that couldn't get past LeBronto was back. Danny is a glue guy, he helped make it work with Kawhi for sure. At the top was Kyle, who was the true leader of the team. The Clippers never had a Kyle Lowry. Its not like PG was there established and then Kawhi showed up.

                                Also, I absolutely hate their unearned swag. Fuck those guys, I'm happy they got put in their place!

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