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GAME 7, ECSF: Boston Celtics @ Toronto Raptors - Friday September 11th, 9pm ET - TSN/TNT

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  • slaw
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    Kagemusha wrote: View Post

    Barkley: " ,,can they attract free agents,,?"

    Exactly. We had a chance to re sign Kawhi and get PG and Russ, which could've been flipped for CP3.
    I'd take that chance over certain obscurity, any time.
    Who cares about giving certain players the chance to defend their championship? This business is all about winning - trophies over nostalgia.
    They did? Lol. That was Kawhi forcing the Clips hand and the Thunder driving up the price. Kawhi was never not going to LA. He’d be a Laker right now if the Clips had not traded for George.

    This management team did what many people thought was impossible: built a championship team. Fans need to have some patience.

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  • Kagemusha
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    TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post

    if we traded for pg and rus we would have been stuck with russ and capped out.. russ depends on athleticism WAAAAY too much and has had too many injuries.
    Could've dealt Russ for CP3

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  • TrueTorontoFan
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    Kagemusha wrote: View Post

    Barkley: " ,,can they attract free agents,,?"

    Exactly. We had a chance to re sign Kawhi and get PG and Russ, which could've been flipped for CP3.
    I'd take that chance over certain obscurity, any time.
    Who cares about giving certain players the chance to defend their championship? This business is all about winning - trophies over nostalgia.
    if we traded for pg and rus we would have been stuck with russ and capped out.. russ depends on athleticism WAAAAY too much and has had too many injuries.

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  • Kagemusha
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    The Great One wrote: View Post
    Listen to Shaq. It's exactly what I'm saying. Being a great player is a mindset. Siakam is just happy to be a role player.

    Barkley: " ,,can they attract free agents,,?"

    Exactly. We had a chance to re sign Kawhi and get PG and Russ, which could've been flipped for CP3.
    I'd take that chance over certain obscurity, any time.
    Who cares about giving certain players the chance to defend their championship? This business is all about winning - trophies over nostalgia.

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  • nba_4_life
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    iblastoff wrote: View Post
    pascal will be fine. i was thinking about his age and wishing he was closer to his 20's than 30s, but he started playing late and thus doesnt have the usual mileage on his body anyway.
    A lot of people have the mindset seen in video game that a player will always improve up to a certain age. Although this can be applied to some players, in reality it is not. Tyrek Evans at one point was anointed the next big thing, oj mayo etc. There are a lot of players that did not improve at all even being young. Again there are also a lot of players like a lowry that kept on improving well into their 30s. so this whole pascal reaching his peak at the age of 26 is unfair to him.

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  • iblastoff
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    pascal will be fine. i was thinking about his age and wishing he was closer to his 20's than 30s, but he started playing late and thus doesnt have the usual mileage on his body anyway.

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  • tDotted
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    Heartbreaking but there's no shame in losing in 7 to what was widely considered to be the more talented team.

    As for Pascal, it's a learning experience. We know he's capable of performing at a higher level than what he's shown in the bubble. I'm sure he'll have the right guys in his corner to help him grow from this.

    On to next season!

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  • golden
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post
    OG was one of the really nice surprises overall this season. I'd like to see him be a bit more aggressive at times but his D is becoming stellar. Just keep working on his handles and finishing
    OG came back to the bubble with much improved handles. Not sure why Pascal wasn’t able to at least dribble a basketball every day during the Covid break.

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  • G__Deane
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    OG was one of the really nice surprises overall this season. I'd like to see him be a bit more aggressive at times but his D is becoming stellar. Just keep working on his handles and finishing

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  • Rudy Bargnani
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    OG is eligible for an extension and had a great season. The raps are obviously trying to keep max room for 2021 which implies they certainly wait until next summer to deal with OG. But that could cost them big time if he improves next season. If Giannis signs his extension with the bucks this offseason I wonder if the raps try to lock OG up at a more reasonable number. Bobby Marks said his comparable could be Caris Levert's 3 year 52 million. That could shoot up a fair bit if he has a strong season next year.

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  • planetmars
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    The NBA can be wildly unpredictable. I had this team as a 5th or 6th seed coming into the season, and they were the 2nd best team in the league.. and a few bad plays from potentially advancing to the ECF again, or even the finals.

    Pascal was drafted at the 27th spot. Who knows who we get at the 29th spot this year. Did anyone even know who Matt Thomas or Terrence Davis were before they were selected after the draft? I mean those guys weren't even drafted. Give those two more minutes next year, and maybe one turns into an all-star caliber player like Siakam did for us this season.

    A lot can happen in one off season. I am not hitching my cart to Giannis or any other super star that is playing right now. Our super star is Masai. As long as we have him we are good (and please MLSE, extend the dude). He'll find a way to keep us competitive.. and look at Miami. They have a bunch of role players and Jimmy Butler. Butler isn't even really playing that well and they just almost swept the Bucks and are in the ECF.

    Masai will find 2-way players that can shoot and have a drive. An edge. The "Masai" type of player is awesome. He's got a nose for finding those guys. He'll find more.

    Star players definitely make it easier for you to win. But when you have a collection of awesome dudes that every team wants.. you have trade capital that can eventually get you a star. In the meantime build within.. Stay competitive. Try to get far into the playoffs and eventually get a chip again. It's a process and in the meantime gives fans like me a great product to watch and cheer for.



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  • G__Deane
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    Siakam didn't just look shook/weak handles etc, he actually looked sick/drained after the game. You can say it was the same for everybody but COVID/bubble messed this guy up. Who did he look obviously faster than this series? Almost nobody, he just looked like a guy with no advanced motor like we're used to seeing.

    He'll be fine and better next year, more like he was all season and as Kyle said, hopefully uses the criticism as motivation and comes back ready to destroy guys. Bottom line is though he's still a Robin in search of his Batman. That's not a strong criticism, it's his reality.

    Miami will be good next year, Bucks will still be great next year, Nets could be good next year, Boston is young, talented and arrogant and could easily be top two in the East next season. The Celtics are likely winning a chip in the next three years, maybe this one, who knows. Raps could conceivably fall back to 4-6 in the East next year. And the West is getting deeper with Dallas, Denver etc

    Masai has some big decisions to make and can't afford to trot the same team out. Bye Gasol (thanks for everything), they'll probably sign Serge back and a slight over pay for FVV. That means we get a much needed change to the starting rotation imo. I'd like to see an obvious upgrade and not just to the bench. We need another 1B with Siakam or a superstar isn't coming here.

    If not we become that much less attractive to Giannis as a middling team; next year matters.
    Last edited by G__Deane; Sat Sep 12, 2020, 12:04 PM.

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  • The Great One
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    See, this is what I'm saying. To be a great player you need the mindset of a great player. Siakam doesn't have that. He also doesn't have the competitive fire and "refuse to lose" mindset that Lowry has. When Lowry has a bad game, you know he's gonna bounce back the following game. Siakam had 7 straight horrible games in this series.

    Siakam is nowhere near Kyle Lowry's level. When Lowry leaves, things aren't going to be the same.

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  • Jangles
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    Good on Kyle.. wow. Reading that makes me want to say that I appreciate Pascal. He had a really bad postseason which was very frustrating but he has been and will continue to be a very good basketball player. I hope he uses this year as motivation and comes back better next year.

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  • The Great One
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Hey, great season all. Disappointing end but they fought, gotta be proud of the team. We should see most of them back next year, though there are definitely some interesting choices to make in FA.

    Three big runs by the Celtics killed us in this one. Two with Gasol, who still couldn’t buy a three but otherwise was putting up boxscore numbers. But as ever, the boxscore is basically irrelevant with him, the whole point of him is to grease the offence and anchor the defence, and the offence in particular just died in those Boston runs. Pascal being a big negative offensively just kills what they can do, and with Lowry looking exhausted most of the game, they just didn’t have the options. Having to rely on Norm when we go small is tough - his scoring can be a lifesaver but you also get the decision making we saw late in that one. Double edged sword. Ibaka was very good in this one, especially in those minutes against lineups without all of the Celts’ big guns (kind of had to go small late, neither C could hang with that group). Nurse had some questionable decision making (no big lineup to get that late defensive board? Not going back to Thomas after a good first stint? Play calling in general...), but he was a little limited by Gasol having zero offensive impact, Serge being targeted just as much defensively by Kemba, Lowry being exhausted, Siakam just not being himself, that it’s hard to be too upset.

    Just a really rough series for a bunch of guys, but the whole team fought through it to force game 7 and almost took it, in spite of generally awful shooting for most of the series. Standing ovation for this team. Hope we do see most of them back for next year, I could do another season like that, with our core guys one year better.
    Powell and Gasol are likely gone. Maybe even Ibaka.

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