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Jclaw wrote: View PostAre we sleeping on OG here while we’re talking about Fred? He’s in the same boat as Siakim last year. Are they going to extend him? For how much?
And since Masai seems to be aiming hard for 2021, I would be surprised if OG got his extension.
On the other hand.. if Giannis signs a super max all bets are off.
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planetmars wrote: View PostI think OG gets about $12-$15M a year. You get paid on offense, not defense. So he's not getting a $20M+ deal. He plays his role really well, but still ultimately just a role player in this league.
And when it come to getting paid for offense.... that's the whole thing about FVV. There was no need to over-inflate his numbers and now that comes back to bite us in free agency. Fred should have been firmly in the backup PG role, sink or swim.
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golden wrote: View Post
FWIW, OG is on a pretty similar 3&D SF trajectory as Otto Porter, who got the max.
And when it come to getting paid for offense.... that's the whole thing about FVV. There was no need to over-inflate his numbers and now that comes back to bite us in free agency. Fred should have been firmly in the backup PG role, sink or swim.
As for Fred.. once he gets paid, he really should hand deliver a gift basket to Nurse.
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planetmars wrote: View Post
Porter's extension was mostly because he was the 3rd overall pick in his draft class. I think sometimes that makes a difference. It's why Wiggins got the max deal as well."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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golden wrote: View Post
Yeah, it's always like a "poor choice" or "we used him wrong" when Gasol and FVV crap the bed. It has nothing to do with their limitations or just plain bad play. That same logic (or lame excuse) doesn't apply to other players, apparently.
I haven't been inconsistent on this. Surely you aren't suggesting that my criticism of Fred's role is new for these playoffs. Nor for Gasol.
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planetmars wrote: View Post
I like using shamsports.com/capulator since I don't have to do the leg work. Shows about $121M with all free agents let go except Fred's cap hold. So even if we find someone for Norm, and waive either Stanley or McCaw.. we're still pretty thin.
Need the salaries and cap holds to be about $85M to get a $30M player, assuming the cap is at $115M.
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golden wrote: View Post
FWIW, OG is on a pretty similar 3&D SF trajectory as Otto Porter, who got the max.
And when it come to getting paid for offense.... that's the whole thing about FVV. There was no need to over-inflate his numbers and now that comes back to bite us in free agency. Fred should have been firmly in the backup PG role, sink or swim.
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golden wrote: View Post
That's exactly what I'm saying.... start Lavine beside Lowry, OG & Siakam and that's already a boost for him. Add in Nurse and the Raptors culture and you've got a chance to unlock more upside. In return, the Bulls badly need to change the culture, so we can sell high on some of our 'championship culture' which, TBH, got exposed in the playoffs as being mostly Kawhi.
If I were to target a guard it would be one of the San Antonio guys or Lonzo Ball. I think Ball could benefit from all the stuff you mention cause he has the tools and smarts to be a Nurse favorite just needs some direction and molding. A year or two with Kyle and Nurse would turn him into an incredible player imo - though admitedly hes not filling into the scoring role Levine or even Fred could.
Im pretty okay paying FVV - I think hes shown over the last two years that hes a solid two-way player. He tried to do too much this post season, but I think it was cause nothing else worked not because he thinks hes James Harden. Now if you keep Fred I think you need more handling from the wing. Can Siakam be that guy?
Big question is whats the center rotation look like? I dont trust any current options to play heavy minutes. Im fine with bringing one of Marc or Serge back so long as there is another option. Hernandez clearly isnt ready but flashed a bit in Gleague - maybe he can be a 3rd center with potential to soak up injury minutes midseason. Still leaves a hole which I would prefer to fill with a good rebounding rim runner.
I think Masai is active to find a trade for talent. Enough bench guys are set to pop into legit rotation pieces that im not worried about losing Norm or a draft pick, the question is what does that get you. Wed all love a trade for a star but Id be fine with trading Norm for future picks - its a lot easier to get a star with draft capital.
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