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  • The Claw Reborn
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    https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1...805564931?s=21

    that is 27 million expiring contract for Batum, huge chunk to free more space next season.

    will a Norm/ McCaw/Stanley and one of the newly acquired big do it?

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  • MixxAOR
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post
    Anyone have a summary of the type of defense we can expect from Baynes and Len? On a scale of Gasol to Bargnani, what are we talking about here?
    this is from Hawks Preview Article for 2019-2020

    Most of the improvement that Len needs to demonstrate as to grow his value is on the defensive end of the court. He is a solid rim protector. Opponents converted 57.6 percent of shots inside of six feet when Len was defending in the paint last season, which is not a significant distant from the best shot blockers in the league, such as Rudy Gobert (51.6 percent) and Joel Embiid (52.2 percent). However, that’s not going to be quite good enough for a big man that is largely limited to drop coverage when defending the pick-and-roll. He’s a good athlete for a player that measures in at 7’1 and 250 pounds, so if he shows some improvement this season in defending on the perimeter, or at least at the point of attack in ball screen actions, it would not be completely unexpected.
    This is from Kings article


    The Kings are 6-3 with Len in the lineup, and they have a plus-10.7 point differential with him on the floor, per Cleaning the Glass. His real impact has come on the defensive end. Len’s mere presence in the lane is a deterrent for opposing players, and that was immediately clear against the Clippers in his first game with Sacramento.

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  • S.R.
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post
    Anyone have a summary of the type of defense we can expect from Baynes and Len? On a scale of Gasol to Bargnani, what are we talking about here?
    I'm not an expert on these guys but from what I see they're both helpful as big bodies, neither will have Gasol's defensive awareness though that helps him get around the floor to the right spots all the time and quarterback the defence. Baynes uses his size to create space and block out really well. He's mobile enough for a guy his size to cover out to the perimeter as well as can be expected. He'll rebound well.

    Len is what you'd expect from an underachieving high lottery pick. It looks like all the tools are there but it doesn't all come together on the floor. Not always in the right place/right time, making the right reads, etc. But athletic and long, can challenge shots, can rebound.

    It'll be interesting to see both guys in the Raptors system. It's well established, well coached, and has great veteran leadership. That might help these guys look better in a team defence than they did on crappy teams.

    Gasol's man-to-man post defence is also better than any of them, we may not have quite as much fun vs Embiid this season.

    Edit: tbh I won't entirely miss Ibaka defensively. He got help side blocks but he'd also get out of position and blow occasional coverages/rotations. When the other team had some clear lane to the basket and monster dunk, almost guaranteed it was when Ibaka was on the floor and a rotation had fallen apart. That kind of easy bucket almost never happened with Gasol out there, it was extremely rare. We will probably see a few more of those with Baynes/Len at the 5 - not necessarily bad or anything, just not quite as good as when you have Marc Gasol.
    Last edited by S.R.; Wed Nov 25, 2020, 11:43 AM.

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  • LJ2
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    Anyone have a summary of the type of defense we can expect from Baynes and Len? On a scale of Gasol to Bargnani, what are we talking about here?

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  • DanH
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    DogeLover1234 wrote: View Post
    Think I missed the terms of some of our signings. Were the non Freds second year team options or straight non-guarenteed?
    No team options, all non-guaranteed. No details on guarantee dates yet.

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  • DanH
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    bertarapsfan wrote: View Post

    4 or 5 million from each guy is quite a bit. But jimmy and bam are locked into the max so they'd be asking Giannis to take a cut. I'm just wondering the logistics of caring g 12 guys whe 3 dude make 100 mil. Like can they even do that maxing out 2 way contracts and vet minimums. Any guy they would have bird rights would have to go to make cap room I would think.
    It's not that hard. As long as they can swing the sign and trade math to get his contract in the door, they'd be able to add with the MLE and then minimum salaries.

    Soft cap. If they want to be able to use cap space, then yes, it is very difficult with two guys on max deals already, but they are not going to be able to use cap space, they'll need to send out salary in a sign and trade and end up already over the cap.

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  • Hotshot
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    GOLDBLUM wrote: View Post

    Sacto just declined to match, hey? Just saw.

    ATL definitely much improved. I think they make it to the postseason finally next season.
    Yep ATL makes it in while Orlando tumbles out.

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  • Joey
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    bertarapsfan wrote: View Post

    4 or 5 million from each guy is quite a bit. But jimmy and bam are locked into the max so they'd be asking Giannis to take a cut. I'm just wondering the logistics of caring g 12 guys whe 3 dude make 100 mil. Like can they even do that maxing out 2 way contracts and vet minimums. Any guy they would have bird rights would have to go to make cap room I would think.
    I mean it wouldn't be the first time. Lots of Championship teams just surround their stars with role players. And looking at the new report, might have been a good move after all:
    Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald:
    A source who knows Antetokounmpo well said he would be more impressed by the Heat giving Adebayo the extension now than asking Adebayo to wait a year for the purpose of making it easier for the Heat to acquire Antetokounmpo.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/report-gian...220022494.html

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  • DogeLover1234
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    Think I missed the terms of some of our signings. Were the non Freds second year team options or straight non-guarenteed?

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  • bertarapsfan
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    Joey wrote: View Post

    Isn't that what Miami already did with the previous "Big 3" of James, Wade and Bosh? Pretty sure all 3 of them were Max-ish, everyone took a slight cut, but mostly ya.
    4 or 5 million from each guy is quite a bit. But jimmy and bam are locked into the max so they'd be asking Giannis to take a cut. I'm just wondering the logistics of caring g 12 guys whe 3 dude make 100 mil. Like can they even do that maxing out 2 way contracts and vet minimums. Any guy they would have bird rights would have to go to make cap room I would think.

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  • Joey
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    bertarapsfan wrote: View Post

    How are they going to build any sort of team with 3 guys on max contracts? Or even fill out a roster with 3 players getting 100 mil..
    Isn't that what Miami already did with the previous "Big 3" of James, Wade and Bosh? Pretty sure all 3 of them were Max-ish, everyone took a slight cut, but mostly ya.

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  • bertarapsfan
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    Nah, if Giannis wants to go to Miami they probably work out a SnT with Milwaukee and maybe a third team to take some of Miami's outgoing salary. It would probably cost them assets but they'd hold onto Bam in the process. But they don't have cap room for the leverage, so it will cost them more than your typical SnT for a big name free agent, and Milwaukee might be hard to convince to cooperate.
    How are they going to build any sort of team with 3 guys on max contracts? Or even fill out a roster with 3 players getting 100 mil..
    Last edited by bertarapsfan; Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:25 AM.

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  • DanH
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    The other consideration with Giannis is he almost certainly wants to sign a 2+1 deal if he leaves, he can recoup most of the losses from turning down the early supermax by opting out after 2 years and signing a supermax at that point (as he'd be a 10 year vet at that point) compared to signing a longer deal 3 or 4 years long. In a sign and trade, he can't - you have to have 3 years, not including any option years. So Giannis may not be particularly open to a sign and trade option.

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  • DanH
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    Dr Hannibal Lecter wrote: View Post

    I hate 2 break it 2 you..but there not getting rid of Bam, they have money 2 sign max guy, Kelly olynyk is free agent 13.5 million off the books, Igudala 15 million team option off the books, there still in great cap situation, they might loose Duncan Robinson and Tyler hero still on rookie contract, this signing doesn't hurt alot of maimi..plus I don't want Bam..I want Giannis.
    Well, no, they don't have cap room to sign a max guy. Having expiring contracts doesn't mean they have cap room.

    But they can probably make a SnT work. It'll just be costly.

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  • Dr Hannibal Lecter
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    bertarapsfan wrote: View Post
    If anything the bam extension just adds more options for us.
    If Giannis wants to go to Miami they have to move Bam and we can get in on those sweepstakes
    I hate 2 break it 2 you..but there not getting rid of Bam, they have money 2 sign max guy, Kelly olynyk is free agent 13.5 million off the books, Igudala 15 million team option off the books, there still in great cap situation, they might loose Duncan Robinson and Tyler hero still on rookie contract, this signing doesn't hurt alot of maimi..plus I don't want Bam..I want Giannis.

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