Kyle is a core piece until he's 37 or 38 years of age. My core going forward is Kyle, Pascal and OG. I do not want to lose Kyle in the next few years. I don't care that he's turning 35 next March. He was the best player on the team this season, and he'll be the best player on the team next season.
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planetmars wrote: View PostKyle is a core piece until he's 37 or 38 years of age. My core going forward is Kyle, Pascal and OG. I do not want to lose Kyle in the next few years. I don't care that he's turning 35 next March. He was the best player on the team this season, and he'll be the best player on the team next season.
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Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
That Kyle still has it and is unlikely to fall off a cliff next year is a high probability but his deal doesn't work with the 2021 FA year. It has to be over in order to make the best offer you can to the best FA to come along in a while. Kyle would be back if there was room for both him and the Alphabet on the ins and outs of the salary cap play out.
Kyle will not take a major pay cut in 2021 at the age of 35 or 36. Most super star vets like Tim and Dirk didn't take their big pay cut until they were 37 or 38. Chris Paul is making over $40M a year and he's a year older than Kyle.
I'd rather lose Fred to keep Kyle than to potentially lose Kyle because we were too greedy in 2021.
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Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
Who is the core 3 or 4 of the Raps regardless of what happens in FA this year or next ? Caveat is that Lowry as good as this guy still is…. IS NOT a core piece based solely on timeline.
My vote is Pascal, OG, Freddy and I’m going to take flack for it but I keep Norm based on continuity and timeline and a very very very teamfriendly deal. .
Everything we hear from the team also suggest that FVV is around to stay but I would put him a notch below the other two guys (75% staying).
I think Lowry plays out his extension and sees what happens from there. If Raps can add a legit #1 guy, he may stay for a price they can afford and, if not, he may move on for one more shot somewhere. No idea with him.
Outside of that they have a bunch of players to slot in here and there but you may have to (or want to) move some of those guys for vets, etc.
As for 2021 FA, personally, I don't think any high profile player is going to Toronto. People don't want to hear that but I would be shocked if a Giannis comes north, for example. As good as Toronto's situation is basketball-wise, economically and geographically it has some inherent disadvantages that aren't easily waved away. I think it is far more likely that they bring in someone via trade, which is why it is important they have a couple decent-sized contracts that can moved (FVV, Serge).
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planetmars wrote: View PostKyle is a core piece until he's 37 or 38 years of age. My core going forward is Kyle, Pascal and OG. I do not want to lose Kyle in the next few years. I don't care that he's turning 35 next March. He was the best player on the team this season, and he'll be the best player on the team next season.
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The Great One wrote: View PostTraining cam p in December?
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DanH wrote: View Post
I am coming around more and more to the idea that they should let Fred walk or find him a sign and trade to keep the space open for Lowry.
1. Who's going to be Lowry's heir apparent? quality PG like Fred don't just grow on trees. The last quality PG the Raps had before Lowry was Stoudamire.
2. Extend Lowry. Sure I'm all for it but Lowry will be 35 next year. It's risky. How long can he play at this level?
3. Sign and trade is interesting but it's something that rarely happens in basketball.
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slaw wrote: View Post
They seem to be able to find guys just fine without paying or trading for more picks, so why waste resources?
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planetmars wrote: View PostKyle is a core piece until he's 37 or 38 years of age. My core going forward is Kyle, Pascal and OG. I do not want to lose Kyle in the next few years. I don't care that he's turning 35 next March. He was the best player on the team this season, and he'll be the best player on the team next season.
I'd be completely okay keeping Kyle around until he retires and if his play starts falling off, you keep him around for his leadership/locker room guy like the Heat has with Haslem. Obviously it depends on the price and if thats what Kyle wants.
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The Great One wrote: View Post
If they're going to let Fred walk, they better have a backup plan. Like, who's going to backup Lowry next year?
1. Who's going to be Lowry's heir apparent? quality PG like Fred don't just grow on trees. The last quality PG the Raps had before Lowry was Stoudamire.
2. Extend Lowry. Sure I'm all for it but Lowry will be 35 next year. It's risky. How long can he play at this level?
3. Sign and trade is interesting but it's something that rarely happens in basketball.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/point-guard/
A lot of these guys are on close to minimum contracts. Trey Burke, Mudiay, Raul Neto or Yogi Ferrell could fit the bill. They can actually play backup PG.
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golden wrote: View Post
I don't think this is the year to look for the Lowry heir apparent. We should be thinking more along the lines of a 1-year stop gap and pickup a veteran backup PG. The reality is that Fred was never able to lead the bench as a true "quality PG" after Pascal got promoted to the starting lineup. He's basically an undersized shooting guard that can only play with upper-end starters who have play-making ability and/or attract a lot of attention from the defense, leaving him open to spot-up.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/point-guard/
A lot of these guys are on close to minimum contracts. Trey Burke, Mudiay, Raul Neto or Yogi Ferrell could fit the bill. They can actually play backup PG.
Hey, speaking of backup PGs that could easily replace FVV given the chance, how's Delon Wright doing in Dallas? Oh...… must be another coach that hates him.
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