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chris wrote: View Post
not sure why you'd assume i'm unaware of the relationship, it's the reason i pointed out the discrepancy. it was also worth pointing out that those two in particular are absolute zeros on defense, and while i'm not buying stock in matt and leo's campaign for fred to make all-defense, he is still a damn good defender, limited mostly by his size.
i just think it's funny that you'll go out of your way at every opportunity to argue that fred is completely replaceable by 8th to 10th men on worse teams. he's better than you give him credit for.
anyhow, try not to be such a cock to strangers on the internet.
Was not trying to be a d*ck.... I truly assumed you were ignorant on the concept and applicability. You really should check out the book.... it's a great read on the early advanced stats. That's a meant as a recommendation, not a slight or dig.
Sure, Fred is probably a better defender in certain matchups and schemes than some of those guys. But Mixx questioned his efficiency, and that's what the numbers say for him and others..... I'm just reporting them... don't shoot the messenger.
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golden wrote: View Post
Yes, I did assume you were unaware of the relationship, because no person educated on the topic would even consider comparing a 37.7% USG player to a 23.4% USG player. That's a 14% difference... not even in the same stratosphere, at least when it comes to that stat. That's like comparing prime Lowry's offense to Bismack.
Was not trying to be a d*ck.... I truly assumed you were ignorant on the concept and applicability. You really should check out the book.... it's a great read on the early advanced stats. That's a meant as a recommendation, not a slight or dig.
Sure, Fred is probably a better defender in certain matchups and schemes than some of those guys. But Mixx questioned his efficiency, and that's what the numbers say for him and others..... I'm just reporting them... don't shoot the messenger.
yes i'm aware of the general decline in efficiency with increased useage relationship but have not read the book, so i'll take your word for it that there's a lot more to it and check it out some time.
i gotta say though that when i see a USG up at that 37.7% my first reaction is not "holy crap that's impressive" but more "gee, i bet that team would fare better if their entire offense did not so completely revolve around that one player", even if that player is maintaining an ORtg above league average.
like, there's probably diminishing returns at some point. maybe the book would shed light on that, though i suspect not and that his logic is probably the driver for how houston was playing with harden and dallas is playing with luka. looking at the zards specifically, if i were them i'd rather take 5% off beal's USG (and another 7 or 8 off westbrooks) and redistribute it to bryant, bertans, lopez, and their young guys (deni and rui).
anyhow, i'm sorry i called you a cock.
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
LOL, Slaw the Beal love around here disregards his complete lack of ability to lead his team to any sort of success.
I think his offense is needed in Toronto. We have lost so many games because we go into these 2-3 minute stretches where we just can't score. He can fix that. Defensively we'd have 4 guys around him to pick up the slack.
I'd give up 2-3 picks for him. We can try to buy back picks if he leaves in 2 seasons by trading some of our guys like Fred/Pascal/etc and go into a full rebuild.
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
LOL, Slaw the Beal love around here disregards his complete lack of ability to lead his team to any sort of success.
3 of those guys won a championship and have been part of winning seasons for many years.
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A.I wrote: View Post
Honestly with Pascal, OG, Beal and Lowry, it wouldn't be bad at all. Kyle is the leader and floor general, Beal is the main scorer, Pascal will do a bit of everything and OG is your 3&D specialist.
3 of those guys won a championship and have been part of winning seasons for many years.
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planetmars wrote: View Post
Are you thinking Fred for Beal? Fred can't be traded until March 2.. long time away still. I think Beal gets traded before then.
given recent precedent with holiday and harden it would probably take the max allowable (or close to it) draft assets going to washington along with lowry (up to 3 firsts and 4 pick swaps)... would that core be good enough to want to lock in long term with minimal opportunity to restock talent in the draft for 7 years? i am skeptical.
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