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S.R. wrote: View PostHow about All-Stars? I swear people think every Tom, Dick, and Harry is supposed to be in the All-Star game now. Fred's a good case study - not well known around the league (especially to casual fans), currently on a middling team, putting up 20/6/4, and some Raptors fans convinced he ABSOLUTELY should be an All-Star. Why?
Fred's still an up and comer who doesn't have the profile of a high draft pick, he's going to have to win some All Defence awards before he gets in on 20/6/4, or be a token rep if the Raps are near the top of the standings. That's just how it works.
With offence taking off in the league, more and more guys are putting up numbers that may have gotten you to the ASG 20 years ago. But we get 140 points in regulation now and guys dropping 50 pieces all over the place, it's not the same league anymore. All-Star recognition isn't relative to the NBA 20 years ago, it's relative to your peers. If everybody's dropping 20ppg, you better be dropping 25+. (There are currently 35 guys putting up 20+ ppg. Go back 20 years and you had 20 guys doing that. It's crazy.)
Also getting the feeling there's a bit of an "everybody gets a participation award" vibe seeping in.
This is all aside from the whole voting process, I don't know how you fix that without excluding the fans - which they understandably don't want to do.Mamba Mentality
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Blazers still play DUMB basketball. They still don't play any D. They just lost by 30 to the Suns last night. Terry Stotts is probably going to get fired after this season. They should've fired him last year as far as i'm concerned. If Nurse was coaching them they'd be a LEGIT contending team. But anyway, let's see how much Lillard likes Vanterpool. If they fire Stotts, Vanterpool has to be the guy there right? has to be.Mamba Mentality
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The Great One wrote: View PostBlazers still play DUMB basketball. They still don't play any D. They just lost by 30 to the Suns last night. Terry Stotts is probably going to get fired after this season. They should've fired him last year as far as i'm concerned. If Nurse was coaching them they'd be a LEGIT contending team. But anyway, let's see how much Lillard likes Vanterpool. If they fire Stotts, Vanterpool has to be the guy there right? has to be.
I'd put Casey and Stotts in the same tier as: Nate McMillan, Lionel Hollins, Scott Brooks, Mike Brown, Mike Woodson, etc.... middling old school coaches who are slowly getting weeded out.
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The Great One wrote: View Post
FVV should be an all star. But I have a feeling the coaches will put Trae Young instead. Smh. Also, i'm a big Jaylen Brown fan but the Celtics don't deserve to have 2 all stars. They're a .500 team ffs.
FVV = 20 ppg, 6.6 apg, 40 % FG
FVV is better defensively thoough which unfortunately don't matter in ASGsLast edited by Kagemusha; Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:11 PM.
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Kagemusha wrote: View Post
Trae = 27ppg, 9apg, 44% FG
FVV = 20 ppg, 6.6 apg, 40 % FG
FVV is better defensively thoough which unfortunately don't matter in ASGs
The best player in Atlanta imo is Hunter. The guy that I thought the Knicks should have drafted 3rd overall. The Knicks are going to regret drafting RJ over him. It's not a coincidence that the Hawks went on a long losing streak after he got hurt.Mamba Mentality
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Kagemusha wrote: View Post
Trae = 27ppg, 9apg, 44% FG
FVV = 20 ppg, 6.6 apg, 40 % FG
FVV is better defensively thoough which unfortunately don't matter in ASGs
Offensively, Trae is marginally better than Fred, defensively FVV is far better.
Trae would need to improve on his -3.29 DRPM to even get minutes under Nurse.
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Defence matters for ASG once you're elite and have some hardware. It takes a bit. Fred isn't there this season.
I'd rather have him than some guys who will make it, sure. But it's hard to measure defence midseason, it takes some time to build the case. Meanwhile a guy like Lavine going off for 35+ a pile of games, that's an eye catching objective metric. It is what it is.
If Fred gets some defensive hardware this season, he's going to have a much stronger AS case next season."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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The Great One wrote: View PostBlazers still play DUMB basketball. They still don't play any D. They just lost by 30 to the Suns last night. Terry Stotts is probably going to get fired after this season. They should've fired him last year as far as i'm concerned. If Nurse was coaching them they'd be a LEGIT contending team. But anyway, let's see how much Lillard likes Vanterpool. If they fire Stotts, Vanterpool has to be the guy there right? has to be.
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S.R. wrote: View PostDefence matters for ASG once you're elite and have some hardware. It takes a bit. Fred isn't there this season.
I'd rather have him than some guys who will make it, sure. But it's hard to measure defence midseason, it takes some time to build the case. Meanwhile a guy like Lavine going off for 35+ a pile of games, that's an eye catching objective metric. It is what it is.
If Fred gets some defensive hardware this season, he's going to have a much stronger AS case next season.Mamba Mentality
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S.R. wrote: View PostDefence matters for ASG once you're elite and have some hardware. It takes a bit. Fred isn't there this season.
I'd rather have him than some guys who will make it, sure. But it's hard to measure defence midseason, it takes some time to build the case. Meanwhile a guy like Lavine going off for 35+ a pile of games, that's an eye catching objective metric. It is what it is.
If Fred gets some defensive hardware this season, he's going to have a much stronger AS case next season.
east is guard rich and forward shallow, so I suspect the 2 wild card spots will be guards. Brown and Harden get in the main 2 slots. Then I think its lavine and fred in the wild card slots.
young got snubbed last year, usually maybe 1 selection tops for non playoff teams, if the stats are too great to ignore. This year that's Bradley Beal.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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KeonClark wrote: View Post
I dunno, if there the raptors are in 4th place by the time coaches select, I think fred gets in. Hes having a prime lowry like season.
east is guard rich and forward shallow, so I suspect the 2 wild card spots will be guards. Brown and Harden get in the main 2 slots. Then I think its lavine and fred in the wild card slots.
young got snubbed last year, usually maybe 1 selection tops for non playoff teams, if the stats are too great to ignore. This year that's Bradley Beal.
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planetmars wrote: View Post
Young was in the game last year (got voted in). Lavine got snubbed.. and I think he should get in this year. Bulls are on the cusp of a playoff seed.. they've been playing well (for their standards) and he's their guy.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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