Everything Draft 2021

[golden]

Look we need shot creation for sure but we here is a question. If you all want shot creation why are you all targeting Davion the short guard?

Nah, not that high on Davion anymore. Jalen Green is my top choice if we move up. After that, I’m not even sure who the best shot creator is.... Tre Mann? Maybe better to trade the pick + FVV for Lavine.

[LJ2]

Well that depends if Trent stays. Blake Murphy is saying Raptors will look at signing Monk if Trent Jr. is asking for too much money

I think he stays and Raps can go over the cap to pay him I believe. Don't know much about Monk, but not too excited at that option.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Nah, not that high on Davion anymore. Jalen Green is my top choice if we move up. After that, I’m not even sure who the best shot creator is.... Tre Mann? Maybe better to trade the pick + FVV for Lavine.

then I agree.


I would argue though that there are better shot makers that would fit our team beyond Mann. I would rather Moody.

[The Great One]

Barnes draft stock is on the rise. One website has Barnes in the top 5.

[chris]

even though he's not the most naturally talented player among the top prospects, reading this profile on the projected top five just makes me like suggs even more. i love hearing shit like "coaches and staff say he's the most competitive player they've ever been around."

[magoon]

That clip of Barnes' workout isn't the first one I've seen of his post-college workouts, and they're all sort of the same, focusing on his shooting from distance. His form is better than it was in college, to be sure, but the release is relatively slow. He's clearly still thinking about his shot when he shoots these shots, and the drop into good form needs to be automatic, from muscle memory. Sometimes that comes with practice and repetition (OG, for example), sometimes it doesn't (Dwight Howard's free throws, which have never improved despite Howard having practiced them literally every off season).

I like Barnes, but his shooting is still a question mark, and we can't pretend otherwise.

[slaw]

That clip of Barnes' workout isn't the first one I've seen of his post-college workouts, and they're all sort of the same, focusing on his shooting from distance. His form is better than it was in college, to be sure, but the release is relatively slow. He's clearly still thinking about his shot when he shoots these shots, and the drop into good form needs to be automatic, from muscle memory. Sometimes that comes with practice and repetition (OG, for example), sometimes it doesn't (Dwight Howard's free throws, which have never improved despite Howard having practiced them literally every off season).

I like Barnes, but his shooting is still a question mark, and we can't pretend otherwise.

Need to see some video of him dominating a chair (or at least a stool) before I'm sold....

[golden]

even though he's not the most naturally talented player among the top prospects, reading this profile on the projected top five just makes me like suggs even more. i love hearing shit like "coaches and staff say he's the most competitive player they've ever been around."

There's a bit of a contradiction here: the article touts Suggs' superpower being his "winning impact" and yet he lost the championship game to underdog Baylor, despite having one of the most stacked NCAA teams ever. It wasn't even that close, either.

Coaches and staff who have been around him say he's the most competitive player they've ever coached. Suggs was 19-0 with three gold medals during his USA Basketball career. He was the best player on one of the best teams college basketball has ever seen. In addition to his game-winning bank against UCLA, he was the only Gonzaga Bulldog who showed up against Baylor, scoring 22 points in 33 minutes. His handle, shooting and finishing finesse still need work, so it's natural to wonder what his season would have looked like if he was asked to create the majority of his team's offense like Cunningham at Oklahoma State. But Suggs is a winner in every sense of the word. He makes game-changing plays in big moments that suggests he has the potential to be far more than just an NBA starter in the right situation.

[TrueTorontoFan]

That clip of Barnes' workout isn't the first one I've seen of his post-college workouts, and they're all sort of the same, focusing on his shooting from distance. His form is better than it was in college, to be sure, but the release is relatively slow. He's clearly still thinking about his shot when he shoots these shots, and the drop into good form needs to be automatic, from muscle memory. Sometimes that comes with practice and repetition (OG, for example), sometimes it doesn't (Dwight Howard's free throws, which have never improved despite Howard having practiced them literally every off season).

I like Barnes, but his shooting is still a question mark, and we can't pretend otherwise.

that's what I was thinking he shoots waaaay to slow

[TrueTorontoFan]

Need to see some video of him dominating a chair (or at least a stool) before I'm sold....

you would like to see a stool sample?

[slaw]

There's a bit of a contradiction here: the article touts Suggs' superpower being his "winning impact" and yet he lost the championship game to underdog Baylor, despite having one of the most stacked NCAA teams ever. It wasn't even that close, either.

I don't think winning impact means that he guarantees he will win you every game the team plays.... that's like saying Tom Brady didn't have a winning impact on the 2007 Pats cause they lost the Superbowl and only went 18-1.

[slaw]

you would like to see a stool sample?

Hey-O!

[Maury]

There's a bit of a contradiction here: the article touts Suggs' superpower being his "winning impact" and yet he lost the championship game to underdog Baylor, despite having one of the most stacked NCAA teams ever. It wasn't even that close, either.

I mean, if you watched the game you saw he got in foul trouble immediately on what I think were not very good calls (correct me if I'm wrong, I cant remember all that well). I think he's clearly a natural leader and a pretty aggressive competitor.

[chris]

There's a bit of a contradiction here: the article touts Suggs' superpower being his "winning impact" and yet he lost the championship game to underdog Baylor, despite having one of the most stacked NCAA teams ever. It wasn't even that close, either.

you're really picking nits using a single loss as evidence that his impact on winning is some sort of fallacy. he won three straight state titles in high school, and would have won a fourth if not for the season being halted due to COVID. he's undefeated in his USAB career, and lost a single game in college for the national title.

yes, gonzaga were favoured by 4.5 points in that game. but vegas makes their living parting fools from their money and any one who follows college ball knew baylor were every bit the powerhouse that gonzaga was. for two years they were the only two teams in college that mattered and traded spots 1 and 2 on the AP and coaches polls. gonzaga were the bigger story and talked about in historical terms throughout the tournament only because they had a chance to go undefeated, but their undefeated record was no more impressive than baylor's 27-2 going into the title game imo, considering their respective conferences.

one freshman can't beat one of the greatest college teams ever assembled on his own, and his highly touted teammates, particularly first team all american kispert, did not show up. suggs still managed to have himself a pretty good night while being guarded by "off night" (whom i also love) in the biggest game of the season.

gimme that dude all day every day over the hyper-talented other jaylen, who sounds like he projects to be a chucker that struggles defensively.

[G__Deane]

even though he's not the most naturally talented player among the top prospects, reading this profile on the projected top five just makes me like suggs even more. i love hearing shit like "coaches and staff say he's the most competitive player they've ever been around."

Had me at "most competitive payer" ....