Everything Draft 2021

[slaw]

I just listened to Dean on Chad Ford's podcast, he kinda seems out to lunch and is just trying to buck the trends. His arguments against Cade were far fetched. Some guys are just looking for clicks...and this is one of them. It's great to have a different point of view, but you have to have strong evidence to back it up.

Draft pundits should be graded like all pundits. Are they saying anything unique (or just spouting conventional wisdom/talking points)? Are they providing useful information/evidence that improves the listener's knowledge of the subject matter (or just making assertions/giving opinions)? What is their track record?

[Eric Montross 00]

Big men do take longer. I just love Mobley's defense which is basically the perfect modern big. I like his form on shots. He could really be the prototype for the future of the position.

Drafting Mobley will secure your 5 position and not to have to worry about for the next decade, and it really makes easier to build the team

[saints91]

Draft pundits should be graded like all pundits. Are they saying anything unique (or just spouting conventional wisdom/talking points)? Are they providing useful information/evidence that improves the listener's knowledge of the subject matter (or just making assertions/giving opinions)? What is their track record?

The best ones are the ones that are well connected within the league...

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Drafting Mobley will secure your 5 position and not to have to worry about for the next decade, and it really makes easier to build the team

I disagree, high bust potential. He's not Ayton.

[TrueTorontoFan]

I disagree, high bust potential. He's not Ayton.

I don't think he has high bust potential but I agree he isn't Ayton Different players different styles. I think he can have pick and roll potential from the jump but his offensive game and its upside is higher and just plain different than ayton.



My question is why do you think he has a bigger bust potential than someone else you have suggested?

[TrueTorontoFan]

The best ones are the ones that are well connected within the league...

Sometimes or the ones who are just really good at assessment like nate duncan

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I'm thinking Masai goes with Kuminga if Suggs and Green are gone. He's a year younger than Suggs and Green + he's from the DRC.

Also, he will have the ego drive to compete with Jalen Green statistically because they are connected through the ignite team, he will work harder to be legit if his former teammate Green excels in the NBA. vice/versa.

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I don't think he has high bust potential but I agree he isn't Ayton Different players different styles. I think he can have pick and roll potential from the jump but his offensive game and its upside is higher and just plain different than ayton.



My question is why do you think he has a bigger bust potential than someone else you have suggested?

I think it's his weight that gives me some cause for concern. As well as the role he will be expected to have in the NBA vs college. He was pretty much the main event at USC and he will be transitioning to a system player. Also, he isn't a great rebounder for a 7 footer.

[Eric Montross 00]

I disagree, high bust potential. He's not Ayton.

Fine, lets just sign Rashun Holmes and everything solved

[DanH]

I'm thinking Masai goes with Kuminga if Suggs and Green are gone. He's a year younger than Suggs and Green + he's from the DRC.

Also, he will have the ego drive to compete with Jalen Green statistically because they are connected through the ignite team, he will work harder to be legit if his former teammate Green excels in the NBA. vice/versa.

Kuminga's biggest critique I've seen from scouts is his complete lack of consistent effort last year. Often not in a defensive stance, lazy/selfish decision-making offensively, etc.

I would be astonished if Kuminga was Masai's target.

[The Great One]

yeah I don't get his love for sengun. The guy is basically a mix of JV and Sabonis but shorter. He doesn't fit the modern NBA game and will likely get played off the floor like JV was. He is young so he may get one last growth spurt perhaps. but yeah.


In terms of Luka. I am surprised we didn't see luka go first overall I really thought he should have gone first. If the Sun's got Luka instead of Ayton oh my goodness on the wing they would have been INSANE.

His mock draft is extreme. Even if you go back the last 5-6 years, he have guys who were projected to go in the 2nd round go in the top 10. Seems like he's just looking for clicks.

[DanH]

I think it's his weight that gives me some cause for concern. As well as the role he will be expected to have in the NBA vs college. He was pretty much the main event at USC and he will be transitioning to a system player. Also, he isn't a great rebounder for a 7 footer.

Mobley's usage was only 22% in college. He'll likely be somewhere near 20% usage, especially if he's as effective a roller as he projects to be, not much adjustment needed there.

He averaged almost 9 rebounds a game in 33 minutes. Not the strongest rebounder but hardly a red flag.

He definitely needs to put on weight and strength. Reminds me of... every single rookie big to ever hit the NBA. Heck, draft day JV only had about 20 lbs on Mobley, and he's one of the biggest bruisers in the league right now. Ideally Mobley will never reach that level of strength with a more intelligently planned physical development curve, but there's no reason to assume he can't put on the weight and strength needed. In the short term it will hurt him and limit his playing time in all likelihood but they should not be making this pick thinking it's about how good the player will be this upcoming season.

[Eric Montross 00]

I think it's his weight that gives me some cause for concern. As well as the role he will be expected to have in the NBA vs college. He was pretty much the main event at USC and he will be transitioning to a system player. Also, he isn't a great rebounder for a 7 footer.

realistically speaking, if you look at next year's draft and the next NEXT year's draft, you have Chet Holmgren in 2022, and Victor Wembanyama in 2023 both of them make Mobley looks like Shaq. If you don't take Mobley, then forget about getting your Core Big from the draft in the next 2 years and start looking for Free Agents. I mean......you are already made it this far at #4, player like Mobley is in your fingernails, do something about it.

[TrueTorontoFan]

I think it's his weight that gives me some cause for concern. As well as the role he will be expected to have in the NBA vs college. He was pretty much the main event at USC and he will be transitioning to a system player. Also, he isn't a great rebounder for a 7 footer.

You gotta remember his dad was the coach and they tried to show case the older brother. He lacked good teammates to pass to. His defensive positioning was second to maybe AD. Not saying he is AD offensively but yeah.


The weight will come. Again I am not saying he will be AD I am saying he is a taller Bosh. He doesn't have very far to improve. He can pass already in a way that would be similar to Gasol so his play making right now are his offensive super power. If he becomes a decent shooter and he is already a better shooter than Barnes. He will be VERY good.


Weight with our training staff is something that I wouldn't worry about.


I hear you on Green. Suggs will be there though more than likely if we want. I just think without even improving and taking away lowry from this team whether you project out one year or 5 years Mobley or Green are the better prospects with Mobley having the potential to be WAAAY better. My only concern is I don't think he can be a #1 scoring option but I don't think you need him to be with the play making already there. I think you can find a substitute for that even by looking at guys like GTJ next year to fill that role.

He fits a need and he would be the BPA.


Rebounding wise he wasn't shaq but he rebounded up there with the best of them.

Mobley's understanding of the game ALREADY is what makes his upside nutty because its really just getting the physical tools ... and by that I don't mean height or reach.. I mean weight which you can definitely do. Not to the extent of Wiseman but again he isn't wiseman

[TrueTorontoFan]

realistically speaking, if you look at next year's draft and the next NEXT year's draft, you have Chet Holmgren in 2022, and Victor Wembanyama in 2023 both of them make Mobley looks like Shaq. If you don't take Mobley, then forget about getting your Core Big from the draft in the next 2 years and start looking for Free Agents. I mean......you are already made it this far at #4, player like Mobley is in your fingernails, do something about it.

Yeah that Victor guy looks interesting but he is a dang rake